Circle of Dead Children – Psalms of the Grand Destroyer
Don’t call this “Slamming Brutal Death/Deathcore.” Sure, you can compare bands like Waking the Cadaver, Disfiguring the Goddess, and I Declare War to this band, but don’t mistake what they’re doing for what Circle of Dead Children are doing. Yes, the vocals are similar, as is the drumming. This is, however, way more grind-like than the other bands I mentioned. It’s fast, raw, and biting. That all taken into account, this is still an album that’ll appeal to a very small minority of metalheads.
What makes this album nearly intolerable for me is a double-layer blanket of annoyance. The first layer consists of a snare drum snap (not unique to this band, mind you) that will grate on your nerves within the span of the first blast beat. And boy, are there a lot of blast beats. Sure, I love me some blast beats. I wouldn’t be a fan of grind if I loathed them. But when the snare sounds like someone’s hitting a foam-covered metal trashcan lid over and over, even I have to draw the tolerance line. It’s unbearable and takes up a good 40% of the sound spectrum. Where do the guitars go? Beneath the snare. Where do the cymbals go? Beneath the snare. And the bass pedal? What bass pedal? There’s technical drumming that fills out a good metal record, and then there’s this brand of drumming. It stinks.
The second layer of annoyance? The vocals. I know I’ll get a lot of flack for this, but just understand that I cut my metal-lovin’ teeth on bands like Napalm Death, Nasum, Bolt Thrower, and Cannibal Corpse. I went straight from listening to oldies rock and country to being a full on death and grind loving fiend nearly overnight some 16 years ago. I’m not afraid nor put off by howling high screeches and rumbling raw gutturals. As a matter of fact, I prefer them. But when these “pig squeals” and gargly squalling squawks entered the mix, I once again had to brandish my tolerance line. Go ahead and comment that I “don’t get it” and “am a moron” for being closed minded. I’m sorry. Maybe I’m getting old, maybe I’m getting soft. I just cannot stand these vocals. I can’t understand them, I can’t appreciate them, and I can’t listen to them for prolonged periods of time. They suck, plain and simple.
The songs are (mostly) over fairly quickly, and are better off for it. When the band slows down a notch and trudges on at a more death-ish pace, things don’t get so bad. I can groove to it, I can feel it, and for some reason, I can understand it. And then it’s off to hyper pig squealy land again and I disconnect. The production is, considering the heinous tuning job applied to the snare, down right atrocious. Nothing is mixed well and the vocals (and snare, ugh) sit so high in the mix that the guitar work, which for the record may be pretty good, bass, and other lower-ended sounds are all nonexistent. It’s as if someone was given a cassette of guitar riffs and told to growl and hit a too-tight snare over it while recording. It’s that bad.
There’s a market out there for Circle of Dead Children’s particular brand of extreme metal. I’m sure of it. What I’m not so sure of is whether that particular niche of metaldom is large enough to bring this album wide success. The quick and dirty of it: Psalms of the Grand Destroyer is for very particular and rare tastes. I am not of those tastes. Slam me if you will for “not getting it” but this album presented too many roadblocks to gain my full attention. I disconnected with it quickly and never found my way back.
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June 13th, 2010 at 12:08 am
Wow. I wasn't even aware that a graphic existed for a 0.5 rating. I learned something new! Also, nice work on the review. One thing I know when it comes to review from you, Adam, is that you don't mess around. Judging from the samples provided, the mixing and production on this album is indeed terrible. The snare overpowers everything and I couldn't think of a good description for it until you referred to it as the equivalent of banging on a foam-covered trash can lid. I laughed at that.
I like some deathcore but stuff like this just grates on my nerves. I'm a complete sucker for grooves, blast beats and the dirty stuff, but this is just beyond me entirely. But, like you said, there is a niche market out there for this kind of death, albeit a small one.
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June 13th, 2010 at 12:15 am
After listening to the samples I have to agree with your assesment. This was absolute garbage. I loved some of your descriptions. The snare part made me laugh so hard that I made everyone in the room read over my shoulder. Excellent review mate.
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June 13th, 2010 at 12:18 am
How appropriate to mention the trash can lid since the album is indeed garbage. lol
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June 13th, 2010 at 12:27 am
@Daryn, Luke, Jen
You guys (and gal) rock! Thanks and glad you liked it
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June 13th, 2010 at 3:47 am
This album sounds promising.
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Jen replied:
June 13th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Are you serious? lol
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June 13th, 2010 at 3:54 am
Ya'll some straight up Christ-loving faggots for sure.
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Jen replied:
June 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Guessing you're saying that because of the staff profiles. If so, you're basing your "Christ-loving" statement off of 3 out of the 16 staff members (current and past) here. We know you can read, but can you do math to figure out what a low percentage that is?
Thanks for commenting.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
June 13th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Even more, out of us three, none of us wrote this review.
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Drucifer? What, your name is Drew? lol Drew.
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SkinneeJay replied:
June 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
These comments always crack me up.
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korczyk replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
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korczyk replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
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Adam Schultz replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I'd still say "I don't like your album" to the band members' faces. I've already essentially done that with my review anyway. Let them laugh. It's their music, their passion. It's not mine, so I let the world know that it isn't my passion.
And I'll compare it to what I want. You're lucky I didn't compare it to ABBA.
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Lee replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
korczyk whats up,
They are laughing at us… are you serious? Ha Ha Ha! That's hilarious in and of itself. I believe that I can speak for the entire staff….the joke is totally on them.
I will say this though, you took the high road not acting like a child which automatically puts you a full step ahead of the "others." So, Big props to you man.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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korczyk replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Adam: I thoroughly enjoy how you're not arguing a single thing I say about their sound quality. That says something.
Though your ABBA comment is a little rude and just makes you sound like a dumb douchebag. Sorry bro.
Lee: You really just sound like a dumb douchebag. Seriously.
If you had half the idea of what the band had gone through to get that album recorded in the first place, you'd choose your words differently. Five years in the making, heaps of problems along the way from staffing studio problems, just simply not being able to record due to studio issues…
The members are some of the nicest and most down to earth guys I've ever had the pleasure of meeting on more than one occasion. When you see two guys in a crowd enjoying music as much as you enjoy theirs, you know they're still in it for the music. Not being able to perform at the biggest east coast Fest just as your CD is being released, all because your drummer didn't pass up an opportunity to play for Hank III, and not being pissed at him for taking that chance…. That's character, something a little lacking here from some of the fans of this website and the reviewers themselves.
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Lee replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Seriously korczyk who cares what they "went through" to make the record. Are we supposed to give them a better score just because they had "problems" making the record? Really? Cry me a river. Band's go through things ALL the time to make records. I just talked to a guy the other day (worldwide band and YES on a label) who lost EVERYTHING (wife, house, kid, care, etc…) to make a record. Every band has struggles, big deal.
As far as your character comment. Dude WHO CARES if they are the most down to earth guys you've ever met. An album review is based on the album, not on the character of the band. If you went to see a movie, just to find out that the movie blew and it was all because the critic you believed in said it was good because he had met the actor a couple times and felt sorry for him (and all the struggles he had to make the film) you'd be pissed. C'mon get real…
Fans lead with their heart and not their head…..obviously, you’re a fan first. So, pull your head out of your ass and get a clue.
By the way, I appreciate the douchebag comment. I know I'm a douchebag so thanks. You kinda have to be to deal with brain surgeons like yourself
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Adam Schultz replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I still say Napalm Death's early work is much better.
And it was dirtier than this stuff could ever be. Grind being recorded on a 4-track, live? Yeah. Dirty.
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Judah replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
DOES SOMEBODY NEED A HUG???
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June 13th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Finally, a "brutal" album getting slammed. It seems nowadays, a band needs to be brutal and then it's critical acclaim. Fantastic review. I'll check it when I feel I need to understand Bad Music.
Is it worth mentioning that I love breakdowns more than the "fast parts"? I find them more menacing, and would gladly listen to a song that's one long breakdown.
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June 13th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Lord Drucifer,
HA HA Ha! Is that the best you can do? Just the lack of creativity in your comment explains exactly why you like this album.
HA HA HA HA HA !I cant stop laughing at you….LOL!
Good try there slick…
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June 13th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Dear lord this band sound like a complete mess. i just dont get how people can even listen to garbage like this. Lord drucifer your comments are pathetic. I' sure they reflect the person that you truly are. Obviously, you are a sad sad little man.
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June 13th, 2010 at 9:48 am
I'm going to record an album in my kitchen. Getting out all my pots, pans and spoons, and I'm just going to bang on them and make stupid noises…
It will be the album of the year, and way better than this crap.
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June 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Lord Drucifer is just trolling.
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June 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Could be some of the worst music I've ever heard. Review is spot on man.
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June 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Used to be big on grindcore but not as much anymore. I listen to this bands earlier recordings I don't think this record is that bad to warrant a 0.5 though ha probably a 2… I will agree to an extent.
Steve Austin mixed their past records always used to be an issue with the rawness of their sound that never reached a level that they are capable of everyone admits that but grindcore fans still enjoy their records they broke up for a while then released an ep with Willowtip and now their newest full length. I believe this was mixed by Scott Hull this time (first time) , funny most grindcore bands move in this direction from Steve to Scott. This surprises me thought that even with Scott the quality isn't there on this one, though Phobia was pretty good.
Possibly the only grindcore album I have been listening to so far is Agoraphobic Noisebleed especially the addition of Katz and Swarrrm which is also awesome.
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June 14th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
DEEEEAR God!!!! Is this the Apocalipse?2012 or something? My ears are bleeding Holy shit,this is totally crap,I searched for these guys on youtube and I can say,THIS ISN'T music,OMG!!!! I'm deaf!
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June 14th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
These dudes rule if you're into extreme death and extreme grind. If you're not then it's just too foreign to you. In the world of over the top metal these guys do it well and from what I've heard this one sounds super sick. I love the vocals and I love the snare. Wish I could hear the guitars more though for sure. Either way, this review is slanted from the go, but whatever. CODC to the grave!
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Matt replied:
June 14th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
The review might have been a little harsh, but so what? If they are tough enough to name their band "Circle of Dead Children", they're tough enough to ignore a bad review.
And I'm sure you didn't notice but the same reviewer gave the new Clinging To The Trees of A Forest Fire a 4.5/5. So he has no problem with extreme grind. But if it's just noise, that's all it is. Plain and simple.
And "CODC to the grave"? Wow, really dude? To each his own.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
June 14th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
I think you're within that niche audience that I had mentioned before. That's the beauty of the human being though. Everyone walks away with something that differs from what the next guy hears.
Based on the samples alone, I would say that their main problem is production. It's one thing to intentionally give your music a rough sound but it's another when it sounds flat and the instruments sound muddy and crowded together. That's probably the main thing hindering this. If it was divided up a little more clearly and the snare didn't overpower everything, it would probably be a difference of night and day.
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
It certainly isn't Disfiguring the Goddess. At least in their over-tuned snare blasting fests, the mixing's done so I can hear the rest of the music. Slanting from the go? And I gave Clinging to the Trees of a Forest Fire a 4.5 or something. Check my backlog of reviews. Might surprise you.
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June 15th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Eh, no matter how bad the review for this is, I still enjoy the music. It's spastic and brutal when it has to be, but I can understand why you guys dislike it.
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June 17th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Album rules, If you don't like this album you're simply not a fan of grindcore this extreme, which is fine. To each their own, but to critisize the drumming on this cd is really ignorant and just makes a lot of you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to grindcore.
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
The drumming is technical, but that snare is so loud I can't think of anything else. I LOVE grindcore drumming. I HATE badly tuned snares. Buzzkiller for me. Disfiguring the Goddess does it better.
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Flowertits replied:
July 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 am
Disfiguring The Goddess is a tech death band, not a grindcore band. You're comparing apples and oranges here dude as far as musical approach. If you prefere them to Circle that's fine, I understand that they arn't for everyone. However I think you love technical death metal drumming more than grindcore drumming. Grindcore has lo-fi production values and isn't obsessed with perfect sounding snare drums or perfect sounding anything for that matter. Implying that great production and great musicianship are features of grindcore are misleading. They are big parts of tech death though.
You have a really good objective review for the most part, but it's comments like this that lead people to link two bands/sub genres together that do not belong together and ruins your credibility a little bit. Otherwise you did a great job, and this is coming from someone who loves this record.
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June 17th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
I think all of the reviews are bad on this site. If you cant ignore production issues that just makes you close minded. Not every thing has to sound like fucking Steely Dan. I agree you are all a bunch of faggot Jesus loving posers. There is no place for Jeebus in metal and no place for the Atlanta Falcons in football.
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Again, again, again, my religion, which could be Budahism for all you know, has nothing to do with my metal music loving-ness. As I've told countless idiots before, I love satanic and pagan bands. Behemoth, Grave, The Project Hate MCMICX, etc. So think before you speak. Production issues are a hinderance to the enjoyment of music. You try to lsiten to something recorded in an 8×10 garage with a 4track and see how you like it.
And you must be a Patriots fan.
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June 18th, 2010 at 7:10 am
First off "Joe", no one asked your opinions of other reviews on this site, but thanks anyway for sharing. I can tell just by your comments that your wealth of knowledge is overwhelming. MUHAHAHAHA!
Production wise…Steely Dan? Are you serious? Steely Dan had the best production you've ever heard on an album? Wow! Once again your musical knowledge is absolutely mind blowing. What are you rockin’ these days…8 tracks or cassettes?
Lastly, it shows your total ignorance by coming to the site, talking trash (by adding NOTHING of importance or constructive to the conversation AT ALL) and making fun of our faith (of a few of us). But to make fun of my beloved Dirtybirds (Atlanta Falcons) is beyond the pale. I will not stand for that! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Dude, you are joke. When you decide to get out of mommy's house and be a big boy, come back and see us. Take care and as always, GOD BLESS
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 8:05 am
You're fast, Lee. You totally beat me to calling this guy out on trolling. Maybe we should have a children's song section and he can write the reviews for it.
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June 18th, 2010 at 7:35 am
I'm going to start a food recipe page, but when people come to read about a new recipe, I'll just write up a bunch of nonsense about how steak should be cooked even though I'm a vegetarian and a queer. The ill-informed recipe will most likely make anyone who understand meats and especially steak sick, but fuck it, it's my website and it's powered by Jeeeezus so you know it's all good.
This page should stick to what it knows best. Scenesterism, bible-licking and defending pedophilia while listening to bands with huge studio budgets creating over-polished homocore. I'm off to listen to Goratory now.
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Steve replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Another dumb ass that shows his true colors. You are a fucking moron dude! You listen to EEEVIL bands, that makes you a bad ass. Please, you are a freaking homo that probably has a mustache, wears a trench coat and docs. Get back to your World Of Warcraft game douche.
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
I'm going to post a comment to a review of a band I like, but when I start typing, I'm going to just write stuff without A) doing any research on the author of the post and B) reacting in the most asinine, knee-jerk reactionary way. The ill-informed comment will most likely enrage anyone with the common sense and decency to understand that opinions are opinions and even mine may not be acceptable to anyone else, but fuck it, it's my comment and it's powered by idddddiocy so you know it's all good.
This joker should stick to what it knows best. Obscure, niche, closed-minded aurally dead, poorly written and poorly produced pap while living in a basement the parental units don't charge rent for. I'm off to listen to Nasum now.
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June 18th, 2010 at 7:35 am
This bands fans are some of the dumbest assholes I have ever seen. They say that you don't know what your talking about just because you give ONE band they like a bad review. Get over it people! Why don't you take the time and look at the authors archive first, before running your damn mouths. He reviews and likes,quite a bit of extreme music. Look around before you start throwing knives you uneducated idiots!
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June 18th, 2010 at 9:06 am
You know I don't normally comment on anything but this band is pretty bad ass in my opinion, it's a shame the review is so low but I understand not everyones taste are exactly the same and CODC really do appeal to a smaller more extreme group of people then more main stream bands would. I think that's the beauty of the review process…I stopped by to check out a review that got a .5 and I fell in love with the band…good review…bad review…it doesn't matter because they got a new fan out of it! It's just like they say any publicity is good publicity…I mean come on Limp Bizkit made millions off of sucking hard!
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Adam Schultz replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I love well written, decently produced, raw and emotional grind. But this stuff… yeah, I wouldn't clean my toilet with it. Sorry Kev, we'll just have to agree to disagree. lol
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June 18th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
This band sounds like ass.
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June 18th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
The fact that a few fans of this band find it necessary to bring up some of our writers faith is pathetic. Christian, Pagan, Atheist…whatever, it does not matter to me or us when it comes to music. Stick to the subject at hand (the album) and don't stoop to such retarded comments.
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June 18th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
To all the "broooootal" poorly-produced underground tape-trading band lovers out there:
My religion and/or faith has nothing to do with metal. One of my favorite bands is The Project Hate MCMXCIX. You can't get more evil and anti-Christian than that band.
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June 18th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
These idiots are talking mad shit. Problem is, they don't know their asses from a hole in the wall. They are so stupid, ignorant and incompetant comparing different writers reviews to this one. How fucking dumb can you be? From what I have seen since Ive been coming here, is that this site has a bunch of different writers and reviews are done based on those writers taste. So comparing the "Band X" review to this one is null and void. Do some research morons before you start opening those gaping mouths of yours. Great job Adam and TNR staff. Don't sweat the "small stuff"
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Luke Amos replied:
June 20th, 2010 at 3:19 am
Thanks Jamison. Hope to see you around here more often mate.
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June 18th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
It's so funny when someone's favorite band gets a low review. Boohoo. Let's all go bash the reviewer because our feelings are hurt and our opinions differ.
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June 18th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
I bought this album so I could wipe my ass with it.
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Mike replied:
June 18th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
What you did doesn't make sense since the record is probably hanging around in worse shape then before, hope you at least threw it out.
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June 18th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
I tried this album out with an open mind and this just isn't my cup of tea. Rock on.
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June 20th, 2010 at 2:04 am
After listening to this album objectively, an actual circle of dead children would sound better. Adam was very generous with his .5. Had I reviewed this album, I would have requested we could break down reviews at least into the thousandths.
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Jen replied:
June 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Sounds like I need to get cracking on making a new rating graphic: 0.005/5.0. lol
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Jen replied:
June 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm
For the heck of it -
http://thenewreview.net/wp-content/uploads/codc.png
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Keith Anderson replied:
June 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Now we're talking. I rate this album that right there. .005. A half of a piece of a star. It even fails my Hootie and the Blowfish test, meaning I'd rather listen to a day of Hootie and other light adult alternative rock than this dreck.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
June 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
HAHAHA
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June 20th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Wow! This is awesome. The fact that so many trolls are on here attacking the reviewers about their religious beliefs and/or local sports teams just shows how far-reaching this site is. Good job everybody.
And to respond to the moron who said that you need to get passed recording quality to review an album…
come on man. That's like saying a sports team is the best in the world because they really nail it at practices, even if they lose all their games.
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Lee replied:
June 20th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Welcome back bro! Now you can get back in here and throw your two cents in!
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June 21st, 2010 at 3:17 pm
This review is a hot topic so I'll drop another comment on'em.
1. What does one religious beliefs has do with this review? I won't get into whether metal offends Christians or not because it's evil like Mojo Jojo because it's a different debate.
2. Love the band? Bring in an arguement why the reviewer is wrong.
3. Production is important. There's a band I love (The Flys) but the shitty production hurts the music.
4. "Circle of Dead Children"? Really? Really!?
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June 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
Haven't heard this band in ages. One of the first "grind" bands or at least super brutal bands I had ever heard or seen live back in the late 90s. Been a few years sine I've listened to them until downloading this album. I think what throws a lot of people with these guys is the production. I don't think they ever have protools used, or drum triggers or guitar reamping according to what it said on the page I got it from. That's rare over the course of this last decade, for better or for worse. But I actually liked the production of this one (not into highly polished metal most of the time) but liked the music and vocals a whole lot. To me it sounded like CODC with a more bass heavy production. I'd listen to this over 90+% of the current crop of brutal death and grind bands, but that's not my 1st choice in genres. I think almost everyone on here sounds like baby's for some reason. Not sure who's more butt-hurt, the defensive Circle fans or the defensive homers of this page. I'd give this 4.5 out of 5, personally. But I'd also give The Project Hate MCMXCIX's newest one a 2.5 and I can't even force myself threw the Disfiguring the Goddess songs on their myspace page. To each their own, tards.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 am
Human Harvest is one of my favorite grind albums ever, but this album does sound a little rough. i still need to give it a few more listens though.
Hail CODC for all their years of grind.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 am
I have only been coming to this site for a month or so and I must say I'm really impressed. I think it’s outstanding that all the writers are open minded enough to give albums of many genres fair reviews. I think it’s also really cool that they speak up and defend their reviews when people talk shit. Most sites post reviews and allow people to just destroy them, not saying even a word. People like slingerman come on here and act like they have an intelligent conversation in them, just to say stupid shit and end on "to each is own, tard." How fucking stupid. You come off more like a mindless idiot rather than someone who actually knows anything.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
All of the TNR writers, including myself, are just music fans like you guys. We love to get into the mix and interact with those that read and appreciate our reviews and leave comments. If we're not writing for the site, we're reading our colleagues' reviews and leaving comments. I'm glad you like the site! We'll keep delivering. Thanks.
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June 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
CODC plays metal the way it should be played. Creatively, passionately and without a pop/rockstar gloss and mass appeal to it. That's what's kept me a fan for a decade. Psalm of the Grand Destroyer lays waste to the crop of scenester grind that's appeared over the last few years. Bands like Waking the Cadaver or I Declare War couldn't hold their jocks and I'm sure they know that. CODC's was doing brutal death grind while most of us were learning basic math in elementary school.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Perseverance is one of the best assets a band can have under their belt. I'll admit that grind isn't necessarily my genre but I appreciate the fact that these guys have been around so long and have a solid fanbase that will come to their defense without sway. It's obvious that these guys steamroll over whatever is in their path.
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August 18th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
can you do a review of Human Harvest? I want to see you compare the two records.
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December 13th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Wrong. This album destroys. The guy’s vocals are fucking gruesome, and a lot of these songs are just fast and punishing. Truly ferocious and nasty grind.
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