Avenged Sevenfold – Nightmare
If you are not familiar with the term “jump the shark”, please leave the Internet now. Thanks. For the rest of you, I don’t think that term accurately describes when bands can have a great album, an album so good, the band’s members spend the rest of their careers trying to repeat that. Instead, I call this “throwing copper”, named after the über album produced by Live. While always a good band, Live never quite got back to the greatness of Throwing Copper.
I think you know where this is going.
Avenged Sevenfold, once an important band in the heavy music world, has thrown copper. Now before you get all up in my grill about jumping on the Avenged Sevenfold hate wagon, check this out: I consider City of Evil in my list of 100 of rock’s best albums of all time. City of Evil represents a huge achievement for Avenged Sevenfold and a game-changer for heavy music in general.
My love of that album didn’t stop me from mistaking the single, “Afterlife”, from their follow-up self-titled album for a new Tesla song the first time I heard it on the radio. The other songs were much weaker than City of Evil but not terrible. Avenged Sevenfold wasn’t nearly the album City of Evil was. They lost their edge.
Then came the death of drummer James “The Rev” Sullivan last December. Only seven months later Nightmare is shoved out the door.
Unfortunately, Nightmare describes the album perfectly. It’s a disjointed collection of musical fragments, many of which are scary, but not in a cool metal way. The band wrote this material with The Rev but he passed away prior to recording. There are multiple press releases about how this album was made and they all indicate the band was emotionally broken and needed help. Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater came to the studio, helped rewrite lyrics, and played drums in place of the The Rev. Mike Elizondo, pop and hip-hop producer, produced the album. I surmise the studio wanted this album out and used Portnoy and Elizondo to make sure it happened.
The final result is a disappointment for this Avenged Sevenfold fan. I can’t help but feel this album is incomplete, regardless of what their press releases state. All of the songs are roughly the same length and around the two-third mark they turn into a barrage of rhythm, tempo, melody, and key changes. This formulaic production seems as if producer Elizondo only had so much to work with so he had the band invoke changes to extend the songs and make them more epic or serious. Instead the songs become disjointed as if all of the elements were haphazardly pasted together.
Adding to the ambiance of disconnection are strange choices, like the French horn synth in “Danger Line” and the odd piano in “Fiction”. Even worse is the blatant borrowing from other well-known songs. “Buried Alive” is too damn close to Metallica’s “The Unforgiven” for comfort. “Victim” contains the soaring female vocals and tempo of “Brain Damage” from Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. “Tonight the World Dies” sounds almost like a full cover of Stone Temple Pilot’s “Big Empty”. This is the sort of thing a producer is supposed to prevent.
The song “Fiction” is supposed the most personal song for the band but plays as the album’s worst. Aside from the the odd piano loop. The vocals are heavily doctored. There are moments in “Fiction” M. Shadows slurs the lyrics. At one point, the slur is so nasal and so over-the-top, it would be funny if it wasn’t so terribly pathetic.This song is the album’s full on train wreck. Hardly the fitting tribute the band wanted for The Rev.
Now the album does have its moments. “Nightmare”, “Natural Born Killer”, and “God Hates Us” are actually great songs. While these songs don’t have the lyrical depth contained within previous Avenged Sevenfold albums, these three songs are keepers. “God Hates Us” is especially powerful and is what I wanted the whole album to be.
Nightmare is not finished and the band should have sat on it until they were ready to make objective decisions about its content. This album sounds like a studio and producer rescued effort.
Update: It has been pointed out to me that the slurred, nasally voice we sampled here is The Rev rather than M Shadows. It still doesn’t negate how I feel about the song, nor does it invalidate anything else I’ve said about the album, especially the blatant sound-alike songs, “Buried Alive”, “Victim”, and “Tonight the World Dies”. Simply because they have a recording of The Rev doesn’t mean he needed to be immortalized in a song in this way. Come to think of it, it actually makes the song worse because they have a clip of an incoherent man, obviously in a bad place in his life, and put it out there for the whole world to hear. Because The Rev passed doesn’t make that moment any more brilliant or special; similarly the drunken recordings of Jim Morrison or Elvis have as much artistic merit as a circus side-show. Those recordings are best left unpublished in my opinion.
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am
I like to call this an "unintentional comedy album" because I laughed so hard I cried when I listened to it (especially "Fiction"). One of the worst albums I've heard this year, and I've heard a lot. Nice review!
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
And you are probably not an A7X fan. I would really like to know what you listen to. And this bad review is only part of the minority. And gives the haters an excuse to flock to it and distastefully hate on the band as they please. I just shrug. Like I said, they are in the minority. All I need is to look at all the other dozens of rave reviews and take a glimpse at the iTunes chart. This review doesn’t really change anything…
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
And, to be very honest, from your other comments, you come off as an arrogant bitch to me. Sorry, but I just couldn't hold back from saying that.
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Ryan replied:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Obviously he is an a7x fan if he appreciates City Of Evil. This review is head on exactly what has happened to this great band.
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Gabby replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
I understand that you don't like the band at all, but seriously? Bashing a band that just lost their closest friend? You're a disrespectful little bitch. Go burn in a hole.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Let me see if I can make myself clear here. I'm a huge fan of Alice in Chains and if the band ever tried to memorialize Layne in such a tacky, distasteful way, I would be PISSED! It is embarrassing to release the song with him singing like that. Maybe I'd understand if it was a bonus track added on to the album and NOTATED as such. Warner Bros didn't bother telling us about this, and it's not our job to read every piece of media posted about the album.
Furthermore, stop treating "The Rev" like he's some kind of hero. He was a person just like anyone else, except he essentially killed himself by means of an "acute polydrug intoxication due to combined effects of oxycodone (OxyContin), oxymorphone (a metabolite of oxycodone), diazepam (Valium), nordiazepam (a metabolization of diazepam) and alcohol." Maybe that's why he sounded so bad when he was singing. And no, I'm not being insensitive. I love Layne Staley and feel he was an incredible musician, but that doesn't change the fact that he was an addict. Any musician who can't kick a habit in order to realize their full potential only cares about themselves. DO NOT IDOLIZE THOSE PEOPLE.
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UR MOM replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
HEY WELL FUK YOU! THE REV WAS BETTER THAN THAT IDIOTIC STANLEY WATEVER HIS FUKEN NAME WAS!!! THE REV WAS A GREAT PERSON ND NT AN ADDICT! UR BITCH AS LAYE KILLED HIMSELF PERPOSLY CUZ HEY WAS STUPID!!!
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Mom? I thought I killed you.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Wow, people… you didn't know this guy personally. His death is unfortunate, but it's just another story in a long line of stories about self-indulgent rockstars who are victims of life-destroying habits. This kind of behavior is not worthy of idol status. I agree with Jen. These people should not be put on pedestals. Love their music, by all means, but don't make them out to be more than what they are. They're just people like everyone else.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Finally someone with some sense around here. Welcome, Nitrohippie.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Oh, thanks, Jen
I just hope I can be a part of a dialogue this big for an album from a band I actually care about. And for the record, when I read the part of Keith's review concerning the vocal travesty in question from 'Fiction', I thought maybe he was exaggerating for review's sake.
I was wrong. My laughter came on so suddenly that it startled me. "Unintentional comedy album" is right, hehe
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Avngd7XGirl replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
he didn't die because he was a drug addict! he died because he took alcohol with his prescription medication pain killers because he had lasik!!!
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Jarrod replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
You, ma'am, are delusional.
Kurt Cobain was cleaning his shot gun and his face got too close and he fell on it.
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 3:53 am
@Jarrod, the lasik comment is referring to a joke The Rev once made in a video… you can see it on YouTube.
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GigiKilgannon replied:
August 19th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Jarrod – Best comment ever.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
you don't get prescription painkillers/drugs for lasik you get eyedrops…. just saying.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
and before anyone shoots anything back about how do you know? I have a bunch of friends who have had it done and am looking into getting it myself and when asked about 'post-op' treatment it's drops no meds.
also. considering the man had an enlarged heart (most likely from previous drug use that he himself admitted in various interviews in the past) he probably should have known better than to mix downers with alcohol. This makes him no less of an artist or no less beloved by the fanbase but I'm tired of people saying he wasn't a druggie BECAUSE the pills were for lasik when that is just bullshit. They could have been for something else but it wasn't for that.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Still, he took Oxycontin (Painkiller), Valium (Sedative), Oxycodone (Painkiller), AND Nordiazepam (sedative). Taking two sedatives alone could have killed him, but he took another two extremely powerful painkillers. And because that wasn't enough, he was hammered, which magnifies the strength exponentially.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Oh I'm totally not disagreeing that what he did was a super dumb thing. I'm just saying that I'm tired of people backing up their defense of 'he wasn't a druggie' with the excuse of the painkillers were for Lasik. Even if they WERE for lasik there is no WAY he'd be given all those. On top of that to then take them with alcohol with an already enlarged heart. Its a bad ending either way. Either he wasn't smart enough to realize what a problem that was or he didn't care. And what does it matter if he WAS a druggie like an out in the open, fully admitted user? Honestly how much would that change the equation? and at the risk of getting hit with negative comments what if he had done it on purpose? not saying he did. But what if he had? How much would that honestly change the mourning of the fans? I seriously doubt it would lessen it at all(and that isn't a bad thing). i think its just interesting how high people get put on pedestals. Almost as if they are above falling from normal human issues/desires.
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Yeap replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Who gives a fuck about Layne Staley you rotten old cunt, why don't you bag on yourself, what have you accomplished that gives you the right to disrespect someone to blatantly. You joke.
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Justin replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 2:10 am
There is a difference between being respectful and "idolizing." In much the same way, there is a difference between being disrespectful and being critical of someone. It's like someone getting made during a debate and then they just decide to insult them instead of making a valid argument. You may have good points, but they are going to fall on deaf ears when you appear to be callous. Honestly, I will say, i don't think it was a bad album, but it's not one of my favorites from the band. Regardless of the situation, a man has passed away, he is not the first and wont be the last in that type of lifestyle. That does NOT make it any less tragic. So everyone on both sides needs to grow the hell up.
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FUCK U replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:35 am
FUCK ALL OF YOU DISRESPECTFUL PIECES OF SHIT!!!! FICTION IS A TRUE MASTERPIECE AND THE REV'S VOICE MAKES IT EVEN MORE SO!! HIS VOICE IS NOT NASALLY OR SLURRED BECAUSE OF ANY DRUGS, HE NATURALLY SOUNDED THAT WAY….HE DID NOT COMMIT SUICIDE!!!! HE KNEW HIS TIME WAS LIMITED…HE TOLD SYN'S FATHER WHEN HE WAS 15, "THERE ARE 2 THINGS I KNOW IN LIFE, 1 I'M GONNA BE IN A FAMOUS ROCK BAND AND 2, I'M NOT GONNA LIVE TO SEE 30… HE WAS AT AN AFTER WEDDING PARTY THE NIGHT HE DIED…..IT WAS THE ALCOHOL IN COMBINATION WITH THE MEDS THAT KILLED HIM… HE SIMPLY PARTY'D A BIT TO HARD AND IN HIS INTOXICATED STATE OF MIND TOOK A COUPLE OF HIS MEDS WHICH ANYONE KNOWS YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE ANYTHING WITH ALCOHOL…!! SO FUCK OFF TO ALLYOU HATERS AND ESPECIALLY THIS DISRESPECTFUL REVIEWER…A7X ROCKS, THIS ALBUM ROCKS, AND JIMMIE ROCKED AND STILL ROCKS!!!!!
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Josh Velliquette replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 6:35 am
METAL!!! A7X 4 LIFE!
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Mike replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 9:29 am
THANKS SO MUCH FOR CLEARING THAT UP. FUCK U!
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Jen replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
OMG CAPS LOCK OVERLOAD! No way I'm reading through all of that.
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Anon replied:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am
You're incredibly ignorant. Have you ever been addicted to a drug? It's not as easy as you think to just "break the habbit". If you only knew, you would take back everything you've said about addictions and The Rev. He was a great man and drummer. I don't care if he "was just a regular person". Can you drum like he did? Can you inspire millions of people like he did? No, because you're a moron.
This article is absolute bullshit as well, written by a balding old fart who writes bad reviews about amazing bands to help with his mid-life crisis. Here's an idea, get out of your mother's basement and get a real job, instead of bashing epic bands. You should probably hang yourself while you're down there too.
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Lee Rochester replied:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:55 am
I believe someone needs a hug.
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Jen replied:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Lights are out and this party is over. Aren't you sorry you missed it?
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Gabriel Pio replied:
November 24th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
There's only one b in habit.
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Mike replied:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Epic Bands…Hobbit…talking Lord of the Rings?
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Tim Dorsey replied:
March 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Well, I don't know how The Rev isn't a hero. I think honestly he's among the top 5 metal drummers in the past 20 years- maybe even of all time. Now, i'm gonna shoot down that Jen bitch again. Layne Stanley is a very great vocalist. But….. Did he die for a great reason either? Jimmy died on medications he was SUPPOSED TO TAKE. And as I speak for myself and every hardcore A7X fan alive….. Fiction is the greatest song ever made. Don't give a damn about what any of these music review idiots say.
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Jen replied:
March 17th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
lol oooooooookay Tim
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Lee Rochester replied:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Ha Ha Ha! People are laughing are you……right now. Tim take a deep breath and repeat after me…I am not a smart man. *insert funny speedy Gonzalez voice 'Cause you is so stoooopid.
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Zeed replied:
July 8th, 2011 at 12:16 am
To be fair, It dosnt matter if its just a guy we dont know, we enjoyed him. You can troll all you want, but it wont make a difference, people watched him on his youtube, when he was drunk and everything. Besides ALL musicians use drugs at one point or another “Sex Drugs and Alcohol” as the saying goes. Kicking it, Sometimes never happens, now i could probably dig a shit load of dirt on anyone from the band you like, and it’ll sound just as bad as you made the rev in your previous statements, So please Troll, STFU. Thank you.
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Justin replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Really? You lauged at Fiction. Thats nice. You sat their and laughed at the guy while I cried at how much I missed him and how beautiful the song was. Please, learn to show some respect, instead of dissing the man us actual A7X fans miss so much.
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Matt replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Justin are you fucking serious? Are you related to him or something? You "cried at how much you missed him?" That is the gayest thing I've read on this thread so far. What are you 15? When you get some hair on your balls, then start commenting. Crying over a dude, how damn stupid. lol!
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I have to agree a with Matt only a little more… broadly and maturely. One thing that has always annoyed me in general about the deaths of people in music or film is when people who didn't know them cry like they did. Granted, people are moved in different ways but I feel like if you cry over the death of someone you've never met, spoken to or related to then how should you act when a family member or a friend dies? You can't simply respond the same way. That would be cheapening the memory of the person you truely DID know and love. I don't know. That is my own personal opinion on the subject… Not saying you are wrong but just… trying to understand why people do things like that…
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Julie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
What if you have met these people? I've met the Rev several times and still am heartbroken that he's gone. I cry when I hear that song. So what does that make me?
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:38 am
It makes you whatever you want to classify yourself as. I'm not even necessarily saying that its wrong to cry, I'm an emotionally reserved person so to cry is a big deal for me. Not something I'd do over someone I've never met or don't know. This isnt' to say that I'm not a fan or don't miss the Rev, heck yeah I do, he was my favorite member. I just can't seem to cry for people I've never met. There is no connection there for me. If you've met the person, specifically the rev, a few times and you've connected then that is awesome. Some people are just more emotionally open like that. But you aren't the person above who has never met them and those are the people I just don't get. It's not that they are wrong for crying its just I don't understand it and the concept kinda leaves me with what I stated before.
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 3:57 am
Crying over a musician's death is not stupid. When you enjoy one's music and they pass you are upset that you will not ever get to hear anything new and will not be able to see them grow musically, at least that's how I feel. Were all those fans stupid for crying about Lennon. Now I'm not comparing The Rev to Lennon in any way but he was a good musician and his passing is sad.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
I laughed before I knew who it was singing. Now I'm just appalled and disgusted by it.
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Emmanuel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Your picture makes me laugh.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Really? Enlighten me.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Just because the people you listed were addicts doesn't mean that they weren't talented musically. You can idolize someone for their talent, yes, but you don't have to idolize them for their habits. Fine, I idolzed The Rev for his drumming capabilities, and Staley for his singing capabilities. Does that make me a stupid fuck for idolizing addicts? Same with Kobain. Hell, pretty much all of these bands have addicts in them. So does that mean that they aren't worth looking up to? Please shine light on the subject.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Alyssa, respecting and supporting a musician for their talents is one thing, but idolizing these people falls under the umbrella of fanaticism in my opinion. The guys in Avenged Sevenfold are just imperfect people that decided that they wanted to be in a band rather than sit behind a desk or drive a garbage truck. Nothing more. No amount of money, popularity, or the "perfect" album will change that. So, my point is that idolizing anyone is not a good idea, regardless of whether they are addicts or not. Think about it…
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
So what, I have "idolized" these two druggies and then some. Do you have an issue with that?
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
I'm sticking with my statements, but, nah, I don't have an issue with that. I probably should, but I'm not gonna argue with you about it. I'm a huge music fan and it sounds like you are, too. I can agree to disagree and be totally alright with that.
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Rossy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
I agree with you Justin. These people dont even understand.
Why couldn' you haters die instead of the Rev.
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Alan replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
jen, you really should learn to have some respect for the dead. I don't think the band, friends, or the family wants to know that people laughed at last ever recording of his voice. Imagine how you would feel if you were any of those people. I understand you not liking it, but at least do it in a classy way. I'm a huge fan of A7X and I'm not one of those little arrogant little punks who say, "F**k you! A7X rules, you don't know real music! And don't make fun of The Rev, I LOVE HIM!" I understand both sides, the haters, and the obsessed. You and the reviewer just happen to be a hater (even though he loves 'City of Evil' which is what most people like, because that's the first exposure to the mainstream) and I don't blame you guys, Just be classy, stay classy, and show respect.
P.S. Don't be so quickly to react to songs, it takes some time to like the songs (I know this because I didn't like A7X until I really listened.) And don't laugh at anything and call it 'unintentionally funny' without knowing the facts. This goes for you too Mr. Anderson. Btw, I'm 14, so you know some teenagers have some sense and can be mature.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
I don't lack respect for the dead, Alan. If you read what I said above, I said "I laughed before I knew who it was singing. Now I’m just appalled and disgusted by it." I think it's incredible distasteful for the band to put that horrible demo recording on the album. I does nothing to honor the band mate they lost, in my opinion. It is more embarrassing for him than anything I would think. For two lines you cannot understand a word of what he is saying. I think it is in poor taste, and kinda turns my stomach honestly.
And I've listened to the full album several times. Why do people insist others like music they like? Do you like 36 Crazyfists? Well, you should because I do.
I don't mean to disrespect the memory of Jimmy Sullivan. But laughing at something is an instant reaction. You shouldn't have to refrain from doing it until you've researched further. That's silly.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:37 am
All you little kids typing in all caps trying to defend Avenged Sevenfold need to leave the internet too.
As for the rest of you, the alleged reason why the Rev's Cause of Death was released so late is that the dosage was so low they couldn't determine what killed him, suggesting that he wasn't really having fun with it. Additionally, members of his family strongly assert he was no longer a drug-addict, that he had went to rehab. They do say he was an alcoholic though. I'm not saying this is true or not, it's just something to consider.
"Now I’m just appalled and disgusted by it"… good job Jen. That was said as a true generic, impressionist pseudo-intellectual. It happens that everyone else who likes the band thought that it was a fitting tribute to the band member. For me, it was good to hear Jimmy's voice again in a song for the last time in a Pinkly Smooth type of song.
If there is something that truly makes me sick is people making ridiculous, arbitrary claims like that. It is worse when it comes from the archetype of the vacuous, pseudo-intellectual broad.
As for the reviewer, I love the 'throwing copper' expression and I find it very true. Waking the Fallen, to me, was their magnum opus. City of Evil did not try to measure of to Waking the Fallen, and instead they did something completely different, yet still excellent. Ever since then, it all went downhill from there. I thought Nightmare was definitely better than their Self-Titled though, but this is not my review.
Here is something you may also want to know. "God Hates Us" riff during the verse is identical to the riff from "Stockholm Syndrome" by Muse. The song also borrows one or two things from "I Won't See You Tonight part 2".
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Jen replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Okay, so if I say onions are disgusting and you disagree, are you going to basically tell me I'm wrong? It is an opinion. Why can't you people get that? I think it's in bad taste. You don't have to agree.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:57 am
It's also a trademark pseudo-intellectual thing to pull 'the opinion card' red herring. Your response is an oversimplified statement, essentially a straw man.
You didn't just 'give your opinion'. What you did do is come here and made some vacuous and completely arbitrary statement with this horrible, pretentious attitude. I'm trying my hardest to not say "pseudo-intellectual", but it just describes your perfectly.
Don't ask for me to spoon feed it to you because I have so many things to say, and I can't be bothered.
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Jen replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:06 am
I find it funny you're using the word pretentious.
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joe replied:
March 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
i reckon that photo is not even you jen your probably a fat uguly cow who still lives with her parents and as nevver had a boyfriend and going on bout a7x im not that much of a fan i just thing your very disrespectful and would love to punch you
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Gabriel Pio replied:
March 1st, 2011 at 9:12 am
OMG that was soooooo offensive çause, I mean, you totally dissed her! Everything you say is probably true because you're extremely qualified! I mean, not only do you have a picture, but you also have your facebook page linked to your name! And OMG, even your phone number and address.
Thing is, that was a lame response. And I'm pretty sure plenty of people would love to punch you too.
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Lee Rochester replied:
March 1st, 2011 at 9:25 am
You “reckon”? Well hot damn paw, let's go down to the cement pond, get neked and go fer a swim. Yeeee-haw! Dude, you just totally wasted your life typing out that dumbass comment. Ha Ha Ha! Wow!
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Jen replied:
March 1st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Well, we can't all be as good looking as you, Joe. http://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186625_100000143834556_3899958_n.jpg
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:45 am
"I find it funny you’re using the word pretentious.
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Saw it coming a mile away. Sweet mother of christ, why am I always right?
Just for the kicks, let me guess, you're christian and an English major/graduate? lol
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MIKE replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
So you like 36 Crazyfists, huh? That explains it all. Now go swallow these capsules of semen, you musical retard.
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Alan replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Understood. You damn reviewers have some fucking great rebuttles….I'll look into 36 Crazyfists, although I surely belive I won't like them. But hey, anything can happen.
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Taylor replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Hey bitch Jen. Don't talk shit on the Rev. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but your taking it too far. The Rev was one of the best metal drummers out there. And if you think sharing one of the last moments they had with the Rev with their fans is "disgusted" then I should shove a 15 foot drumstick up your ass and see how disgusted you are then. The band was a close family and they are sharing one of the last moments they had with the Rev, with us. So fuck you. When you die, I hope you are known as an arrogant whore.
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Lee replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 8:13 pm
I quit commenting on this thread because it has become nothing short of ridiculous. Seriously, YOU among many OTHERS call my Jennifer (my wife) name after name and it's actually become a running joke. The more this band's "fanbase" talk trash the more we sit back and scoff at you. It takes a REAL man/woman to stand up, say what you have to say and do so with class. Name calling is for children…
Everybody is 10 foot tall on the internet….
Thanks and have a FANTASTIC day
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nameless replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:47 am
Julie you are either deaf, or a real dumb blond. I find all the lyrics in Fiction are very easy to understand…What lyrics do you not understand? "Now i think I understand, how this world can overcome a man"? or maybe " I hope its worth it, here on the highway, yeah. I know you'll find your own way, when i'm not with you…" ? Cause i find these lyrics are perfectly done and easy to understand…
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nameless replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:52 am
lol….DId i say Julie? I mean Jen… my bad
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Jen replied:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
When the song gets to the 3:33 mark, they are unintelligible. The "I hope its worth it, here on the highway, yeah" lyrics are a mess. I just listened again and I cannot understand what he is saying. Sorry.
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MIKE replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
You people have no business critiquing any one’s music! You are what’s wrong with the music industry! It’s one thing to dislike something, but to show as much disrespect as you do makes you nothing but a lowlife! Go back to watching idol rewind where you can’t bother anybody! SCUMBAG! Oh, I almost forgot you're a female. CUM DUMPSTER SCUMBAG!
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Hi, Jen, I'm a hard-core A7X fan, and I know others can be quite stupid at times by purely bashing you with insults ALL IN CAPS, without anything to back it up. I'm going to tell you what's on my mind, in a normal fashion, because I'm not brain dead.
Ok, I can understand if you don't like Fiction, it's very different, it's something you don't hear everyday.
And in my opinion, I thought adding his vocals in was a nice to way to remember him, as for me, I had goosebumps when I heard his voice, because he was my biggest influence in drumming. And he was an incredible person, I've met him twice and he was extremely down to earth and really funny.
And as for "FUCK U, UR A STUPID BITCH, HE WAS NOT AN ADDICT!!!!"
As much as how special he was, there wasn't a time where I didn't think that he was on drugs. I mean, he was a unique person, perhaps drugs was the reason. Just because he was a drug user, it won't sully the image I have of him.
A7X fans can be very critical and darn right rude.
So that's my 2 cents.
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Well said Phil, thanks for taking the time to comment. Take a look around…you might find more things that you will enjoy.
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:08 am
I agree, well said Phil. Not everyone is going to agree and that's the beauty of music and art in general. So stop hating on those who don't like the band. Yeah I hate it when people bash a band I'm passionate about but we're all guilty of it. I know you just want others to understand because you feel they are special in some way but why do you sped so much caring what others think? If you like them and their music moves you then that's all that mattes because at the end of the day it's you with the music alone.
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Walker replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:06 am
Personally I liked it. But you got your opinions.
Although, I am a huge A7X fan and one thing I have learned is that if you don't like it, you should either keep your mouth shut or at least say it nicely that you didnt like it, or else people WILL get mad. And you didn't say it nicely by the way.
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B replied:
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm
not saying he was or wasn't an addict, but it is okay to idolize this man, shit its better than the people who idolize the jersey shore d-bags, if u don't like the album don't listen to it, don't buy it, and don't acknowledge it further more i doubt your trolling the a7x nightmare album is going to affect anything. Also look at the charts your outnumbered (by a lot) see this band live they put on a hell of a show. Another thing whats wrong with putting your best friends voice on the album i'm sure they asked the rev's family for permission to do so. Wtf do you think the rev didnt want his voice on the album???!?! Go find something worth trolling over or better yet crawl out from under your bridge and get a life?
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nick replied:
August 29th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
so you're laughing at a suicide note? you are one sick fuck. when you can write music like the rev then you can make fun. oh wait, that's right, you're a 20-30 year old bagging on a dead man.
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DeusExMachina replied:
December 7th, 2010 at 12:53 am
Lol. I love reading A7X superfans comments. They're just like Pantera superfans. Complete ignorant and full of total dumbassery.
This album is crap. I completely agree with this article.
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Never liked this band, I checked this album only couse Mike Portnoy… and yeah the drums were the only good thing.
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crystalislupe replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
I hope you know that all Mike did was lay down the drum tracks in the studio.
It was The Rev who wrote them. If the drums were good, it's not due much to Portnoy, though it was his performance (which was thankfully executed very much like Jimmy.)
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:10 am
Actually it's the other way around, Jimmy emulated Portnoy's style.
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mozilisretarded replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Yeah you're absolutely retarded sir. By the way, you spell "couse" like this… BECAUSE. Hard stuff right, 2nd grade spelling.
You sir should fuck off and educate yourself, Portnoy didn't even write the drum tracks, Jimmy did.
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Well then good for you, because it was The Rev that laid down all the drumming before he died, but it was on an electric drum kit
Mike just duplicated it on a real drum set.
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July 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am
The fact that this much talent was wasted on this album is beyond the pale. "Nightmare" is a completely lazy effort that is totally void of ideas.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I still wonder about bringing in Mike Elizondo, who had not produced any heavy music prior. That's why I think this was an effort just to kick it out of the studio.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
But really what does it matter? The studio knew that it would have a fan base to back it up when it dropped regardless. There are enough people who are eating it up and spewing that it is the best album ever for the soul sake that The Rev died while making it. There are boards upon boards of people who are buying multiple copies and special editions for something I would have to agree with falling short of 'The Best Album' mark by a large margin. I also completely agree with the sentiments regarding sounding waaaaay too much like other bands this album and I think that to me is the heaviest disappointment. That and DangerLine as a whole.
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Austin replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Are u unaware that m shadows isn't the only one on fiction singing??? I mean come on it's the rev, ya no the one who died. Way to be really disrespectful to him…
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MIKE replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:51 am
They were working with Mike Elizondo well before the Rev's passing. So that's what you get for thinking! It's obvious you are willing to say anything without any substantial basis. I just think it's sad if you get paid for your views. You should really just go back to focusing on mtv reality shows and leave music to people who have a clue!
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:11 am
Wrong, Mike. A7X liked the idea when Mike came to them because it was different.
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MIKE replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
No, not wrong, Jenna. Do a little research. They used Mike Elizondo, despite the fact he had only done the garbage he had, because he was a huge fan of A7X. It was in fact, before The Rev passed away. However, they had not yet started any of the actual recording.
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July 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I haven't liked A7X since City of Evil. I wasn't expecting much of this album. Looks like it fulfilled my expectations :/
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July 27th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
hmm i think you really listen britney spear. Isnt it?
in my opinion the author have never listened A7V so he dont really understand this album.
cheers.
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UR MOM replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
DUMBASS!!! its A7X U FUKEN LOW LIFE PRICK!!
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GOES TO COLLEGE replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Don't call anyone a dumb ass when you type in all caps and can't spell. Jackass.
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:12 am
It was probably a mistype, get over it. V and X are close on the keyboard with only C in between.
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July 27th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
City of Evil is the only thing I've ever liked from this band and I lost interest in that ages ago.
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UR MOM replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
IM SORRY BUT I/THE WEBSITE DONT REMEMBER ASKING YOU!!
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GOES TO COLLEGE replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Don't speak for the website, or it will eat your burrito.
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July 27th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
The one song I managed to get through entirely was "Fiction." Read into this as you please.
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Luke Amos replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 3:30 am
You would.
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July 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I'm not going to get into the rest of the album just yet, but wanted to address this part of the review:
"The song “Fiction” is supposed the most personal song for the band but plays as the album’s worst. Aside from the the odd piano loop. The vocals are heavily doctored. There are moments in “Fiction” M. Shadows slurs the lyrics. At one point, the slur is so nasal and so over-the-top, it would be funny if it wasn’t so terribly pathetic.This song is the album’s full on train wreck. Hardly the fitting tribute the band wanted for The Rev."
It's heavily doctored, because they put the Rev's clean vocals in along with M. Shadows. The Rev is who you describe as sounding "nasally", I'm guessing..can't be positive on that, though.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Did you listen to the audio clip of Fiction to the right of the review? Whoever it is that is singing sounds drunk. No one should ever sound like that on an album – intentionally or unintentionally. It's the worse excuse for singing I've ever heard, and honestly makes you wonder if it's some kind of joke…
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
The person on that track that sounds drunk, see above, is the drummer who's voice they took from demos and put on as kind of a posthumous nod of some sort. I do agree with the sentiment of it not being his best sound and that particular segment should have been dropped or replaced with Shadows.
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Hana replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
no this is THE REV. He recorded it 3 days before his death.
And i think you are hypocrite.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Yes, the drummer, aka The Rev. Although you have to admit that he doesn't sound 'normal' in the first 'i hope its worth it' segment. He sounds like he is trying to sing lower than his range and is warbling accordingly. His vocals before and after that are decent but that one area should have just been Shadows or cleaned up better.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
The person singing that part is Shadows. And that is probably how the Rev sang them on the demo before he died so because it's the rev, you're not going to get the conventinal way of doing things.
but i can't agree that Jen is being a hypocrite, she's being down right rude and disrespectful to the guys and the Rev's memory.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
@Chris: Some others have pointed this out to me. I cannot verify this one way or the other yet. In some ways that's worse for the song and what they were trying to do.
@Hana: If this was The Rev then the band did him a major disservice. I also don't see how I'm a hypocrite unless you mean that I've never been recorded in a studio completely wasted out of my mind.
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you know replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Who said he was wasted you filthy fuck!? Jesus Christ you have no respect at all I understand you have an opinion but you don't have to be so vulgar and disrespectful. You are very unprofessional and just need to stop.
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Terrance replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
A major disservice? It was his work lol.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
And how would you know that The Rev was wasted? That is how he always sings. Were you there, or are you just assuming? You really don't seem to have much knowledge of the band, and it shows. I doubt that you are really a fan, although you say that you have listened to City Of Evil and it is on your "top 100 albums" list. But then again, everyone says that just to be one in the bandwagon.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
http://www.mkanderson.com/portal/archives/1176
I have a list and I published this last December around the time of The Rev's death. I still consider City of Evil to be a great album and also the descriptive of the vitriol in the replies to my review.
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Austin replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
U fuckin make me sick… Ur a no lifed ass hole…show respect. It's a privilege to hear the rev on this album and he was an amazing person… How could u be such a dick and say stuff like that about someone who died and never affected u in any way? U make me sick
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Hana replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
@Kaith Richardson
You re really make me laugh.
WHY PEOPLE ARE WRITING ABOUT A7X WHEN THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT A7X ANYTHING? Nightmare is most emotional record they recorded in their career. If youre not an a7x fan you dont understand this record. Its a MASTERPIECE.
@ Austin, I totally agree; 'ow could u be such a dick and say stuff like that about someone who died and never affected u in any way?' someone here [hmm maybe author?] should shut his face.
O zmarłych się nie pisze. Fiction to kawałek bardziej studyjny- a7x po prostu chcieli nam pokazać głos The Rev'a.
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Aanchel replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Is that Polish?! I kind of want to know what it says…
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Julie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Keep in mind, those vocals were recorded AS A TEST before the album was even being recorded. So of course they're not being recorded with every intention to sing every word correctly. Also, that's just how the Rev sings. There's very obviously two different people singing in "Fiction". If you don't like the way he sings, don't listen to it. Simple as that.
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Steven replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Umm…hello? The Rev's vocals were demo vocals recorded in a studio in M Shadows's house. You can't expect single-take demo vocals to sound all that great. They were placed on the album because they were the last vocals ever recorded by the Rev, and, as far as we know, the only one's he recorded for this album. And before you go on a rant about how bad his singing is, try listening to the chorus, or better yet, some of the other songs he's had major vocal parts in. Jesus, people, do a little research.
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ArcadianWarrior replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Actually, those vocals are from a demo. Fiction was the very last song that the Rev (their drummer), and 3 days after completing a demo of the song that's when he died. The reason why these vocals sound so "bad" as you say, is because they came from a demo of the song.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
HAHAHA You picked THE WORST part of that song to clip. Completely fair, but other than that part I think the song is decent. As for the rest of the album, "God Hates Us" got my head bobbing a little but beyond that I'll pass.
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Terrance replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
It was the only recording of Jimmys vocals……its not a joke. Don't be dumb lol.
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Jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
It was from a demo track morons, demo's aren't supposed to be sung all the way. All of you are jokes.
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Chris replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
No, I didn't listen to the clip on the side, but I know what you're referring to, having heard the song half a dozen times. It does sound awkward to the listener, I know. But if you were in their shoes, and that's the only audio the man left behind to use, what else do you do? That was his song, as was much of the album, only he actually sang on that track. He left behind clean vocal parts, drums (of course), and a few other instrument recordings he had been working on.
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Mary replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
The vocals are from the demo and of course they're not great as they should be on an album but those were the only vocals they had of The Rev and they wanted to include him in the song. Is it bad that they wanted him to be a little bit in the album?
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Spiffy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
The Rev's vocals in Fiction are from a demo of the song. They put his vocals into his song, which he wrote three days before his death. He had not completed the lyrics or the song, that's why it sounds like he is slurring. What you hear wasn't originally supposed to be in the final product of the song, but they put it in as a final testament to him.
This album was not originally going to be completed. The only reason it was, was for the diehard fans of The Rev and A7x to hear. This is a very emotional album and it's no suprise it came out to be the mess it is.
I myself really enjoy the album, Fiction in particular.
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Please do your research before you criticize. The Rev's vocals were ripped from the DEMO and placed on the final song. We still don't know why the his vocals sound like that, but for all i know, it could have been just a vocal idea The Rev never got to record properly. The band just wanted to give the REAL fans their last piece of Jimmy.
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-.- replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
That's The Revs vocals.. And his vocals were demoed, so they're not perfect.. The reason why his vocals are in there because Fiction is his song he finished before his death.. Plus it's in there because this album is supposed to be for The Rev. So go out and do something rather than sitting on your butt and criticizing things you don't know about.
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Daniel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Jen, youre just a stuck up bitch. people are entitled to their own opinions and shit but youre just a disrespectful cunt.
as for the review, you obviously arent ready to listen to the music changes as artists mature, so sorry that you couldnt appreciate Nightmare like the fan base does. same goes for the haters.
city of evil broke their shell, the self titled was the experimental album, and this was supposed to be the concept album, but mostly a tribute for Jimmy
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Emmanuel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
When The Rev sang Fiction he didn't expect his singing to be in the album, it was just a demo, stupid.
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Brett replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
In an interview with Matt, he said that the lyrics to that song werent fully complete when he made that song, hence why he was mumbling at some parts. it was his ONE demo that he ever had a chance to make of that song, and you criticize the very first time it was ever played? like Fuck you and your uneducated self you stupid prick. stupid ass people dont know anything about this album, 2.5 my ass.
Nothing sounds like a copy of another band either, Every band has elements from other bands. and every song they've ever played has had some relation to another band.
Waking the Fallen > City of Evil btw.
And, btw, Burried alive sounds a whole hell of alot more like Led Zepplin than Metalica, though it does follow the samec oncept that metalica uses.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
You may be super angry right now but I agree:
Waking the Fallen > City of Evil.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
agree 100%
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
For the record, Fiction is the most personal because it was finished by Jimmy, 3 days before he died. He wrote the lyrics, and I'm sure even you could agree that the lyrics then take on a strangely prophetic feel to them given what happened. They've all been quoted as saying that when they demo tracks they don't normally do vocals. Jimmy happened to demo vocals for that song and that is what is included on the track. That is why the quality isn't what it would be had he recorded them clean, in the studio.
You're entitled to your opinion about the album, but at least do some research about it first. It is not hard to find the information telling you that Jimmy's vocals are on Fiction.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
I think the "nasally" and "slurring" vocals on "Fiction" are obviously the work of the deceased drummer. The Rev has a beautiful voice and he managed to record the lyrics before he passed, and they used them on the album. That would also be why they sound 'doctored', because they had to make sure there was nothing wrong with the recorded vocals that he'd done. He also wrote the piano. If you want to hear "nasally" singing that may or may not be M. Shadows, listen to Pinkly Smooth. The Rev sang for this band and Syn Gates played guitar. You'll quickly gather that the man singing most of "FIciton" is definitely NOT M. Shadows. You wouldn't know this though, as you stopped listening after City of Evil. The Rev did a lot of vocal work on the self-titled as well.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Fiction isn't a joke, it was the last song The Rev turned in 3 days before he died. Alot of the vocals in the song are done by him, and they aren't that great because they were recorded as a demo but then put in the final version of the song to show respect for The Rev and to remember him. So obviously it wouldn't sound perfect but it's not exactly supposed to.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
FIrst of all…Mike did not help rewrite any fucking lyrics. second of all, you guys have no respect for Avenged Sevenfold. Nightmare is the best album they've written to date. A7X foREVer
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
From the official notes from the record company:
http://www.totalassault.com/artists/468/Avenged_Sevenfold/
"Most of the lyrics were rewritten, drummer Mike Portnoy (of the band Dream Theatre) was brought in to do the Rev’s in-theory inimitable parts, producer Mike Elizondo (Dr. Dre, Eminem, Regina Spektor) stayed on to help everyone rise to the now-transcendent occasion."
Not clear in this para but for in-studio notes I go with what is provided by the company. Other news regarding sessions in the studio outside of what's provided to me I don't use as a main source.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Why can't you do your own research and use what every person on here telling you your info is wrong, uses? It's called the band. Everything we fans know comes from the band's mouth. That's a primary source so you should use it. Dont use what others give you to use without doing your own research on it.
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Steven replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Not sure how the context of that statement is unclear to you, but I'll explain it to you anyway. Mike Portnoy was brought on to play the drum parts that Jimmy had written. That's what "Mike Portnoy…was brought in to do the Rev's in-theory inimitable [unorthodox, unique] parts." This is referring to DRUM parts. The lyrics were re-written by Shadows, Gates, Zacky, and Johnny.
I'm serious…how much research could you possibly have done? Watch just a few of the interviews they have done, and you could have written a far more informed review. This is simply you saying you didn't like it because it's not fast enough. It's obviously going to be a slow, saddening album. They recorded it right after their lifelong friend died. What the hell did you expect? More party anthems like on City of Evil? An album review should take into account all of the circumstances surrounding the making of the album. You clearly are indifferent to those circumstances.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
I'm not indifferent to the circumstances of the album. However, just because of The Rev's passing, I'm not going to pretend the songs sounds any better to me.
As for the paragraph I referred to, they lumped Portnoy into a list of things they did to get the album out the door. If he did not help rewrite lyrics, it doesn't matter. The end result is there are some not-so-great moments on the album for me, the listener.
I actually expect more from a band I know is full of talent. In my opinion, they didn't deliver.
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Emmanuel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
What more can you expect than awesome guitar, drums and vocals.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Hey Keith, I don't agree with anything you said in your review, but damn, I feel sorry for everyone treating you like this. Granted I'm a HUGE fan of them, but enough with the death threats. I value your opinion and it's nice to see some difference in music tastes. I do think you should've spent more time truly listening rather than awaiting some loud, thunderous stuff. These guys just lost a friend. But I think you were really just reviewing the sound anyway. I do think what you said about the rev's vocals was unnecessary and rude. He wasn't a drunken bastard trying to sing. This was a test recording and it WAS necessary to put it in there, for us fans to listen to. I do hope the rest of the fans chill out. They're making mentally stable fans like me, and the band itself, look bad with their psycho comments.
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Greg replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:14 am
THANK YOU
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Daniel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
"Most of the lyrics were rewritten, drummer Mike Portnoy (of the band Dream Theatre) was brought in to do the Rev’s in-theory inimitable parts"
Mike only did Jimmys drum arrangement. Matt admitted to rewriting the lyrics, but Portnoy had no involvement with them
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Reading this review kind of made me a bit upset. I have been a fan of avenged sevenfold since STST and WTF. They have indeed changed gears from city of evil to self titled to now nightmare. Avenged Sevenfold isn't about fitting in a genre, you can't put them in a particular one, which is why they are so great. Nightmare is a finished album, it is a dark concept album which works wonders. The only song that might feel out of place is Danger Line, but beyond that every song fits the concept of the pain the band is going through. For those of you who don't know, "Fiction" was a song written by the Rev for his side project Pinkly Smooth a long time ago, but they never recorded it, until Rev decided to add it to the new a7x album. In the review you mention that Mike Portnoy came in to rewrite lyrics and whatnot, you are wrong. The band clearly stated they have kept most of the lyrics that was laid down before the rev had died. Mike came in to lay drum tracks the rev had already played. I think when you reviewed this album, you didn't listen with an open mind, which might be the reason why this is the only bad review I have seen for this album. :\
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Kayla replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
I agree with you.
And honestly, everyone is entitled to their opinion but the reviewer obviously didn't do enough research for this review to be taken seriously by anyone that doesn't outright hate the band.
The fact that Jimmy sings on 'Fiction' can be found simply by checking out the wiki page. Hell, even a TINY bit of research on the album and that detail would be in there.
Not dissing that this guy didn't like the album, but the review is a little difficult to take seriously when it's obvious that the album wasn't given a fair bit of unbiased interest and looking into.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Hey Eric whats up,
Keith is one of the most open minded people I have ever worked with. Its his opinion and just like yours, you should respect that. We all don't have to enjoy the same things in life. Keith was given info from not only the label but the PR firm as well. If any info was incorrect, you might want to take it up with them.
Thanks for the comment.
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Justin replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 2:34 am
I seriously doubt that. If that was the case he'd have known who was singing on "Fiction." I can't take this review seriously because he couldn't even distinguish the two completely different voices. If you don't have an ear for music, you really shouldn't critique it. Don't get all pissy either, what I am typing is true and anyone with common sense will acknowledge this.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Also, I'm sorry – but if you don't understand how "Fiction" is the perfect tribute the band could have done for The Rev, then you're not a fan. "City of Evil" fan or not. Just saying.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Hmm… If I were elitist metal snob such as you (and some of your staff), I guess it would be the cool thing to do to hate on Avenged.
EAD
(Yes, it's an acronym. Look it up on Urban Dictionary)
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Abstinence for life! Just curious, but how is the Staff coming across as elitist metal snobs? This is a serious question, not trying to mock you or anything. Thanks for your concern.
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Rico replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Josh,
Thanks for not openly mocking me, hahaha. I mentioned only, "some'" of the staff, but if you want to get particular: The guy who wrote the article in his mom's basment, the hot slut who made the first comment, and then the guy with the lip piercing who is trying to look tough into the camera.
I admit I got a little annoyed with the "intellectual bashing" of the album. It's cool that the guy doesn't like the album, but does he really have to mention every two seconds about how "eclectic" his taste in rock is? I.e. "I listen to Pink Floyd, old school Metallica, Stone Temple Pilots, etc; I also use a lot of technical terms that the average listener doesn't care to know, therefore I am more than qualified to bash this album."
I get the feeling that a lot of people are dismissive to this album for the following reasons:
-It doesn't sound like Waking the Fallen or City of Evil (OMG I LOVE WTF <3 <3 <3)
-They've gotten too popular and now their fan-base is comprised of the occasional teenybopper who shops at hot topic. (I've been there once; it's a terrible place…)
-"I can't like them because they aren't as hard as Slayer, Hatebreed, Behemoth, etc" (i.e. Those guys who wear the jackets with patches of all the cool metal bands they listen to)
My point is that people shouldn't be so dismissive about the album, merely because of those three reasons listed above.
Ok, now that I feel better about myself for writing all that crap, please feel free to openly mock me this time. GLHF and EAD if you are feeling famished.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I don't mention it every two seconds as no time can be associated with an article. I have no idea how long it takes you to read the article. As I write the article it's more like every 10 seconds. But for some people, it may be every couple of hours.
As for my eclectic music taste, I can't help it. I've been listening to rock since I was 6. When songs sound like other songs, it's the way it is. I can't pretend I didn't hear stuff that a good producer should prevent.
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MIKE replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
How old are you now? 6 1/2?
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Wow, I was dissed by a dude name Rico….saaaaweeet!
Let me ask you this…
If you went to a movie, lets say a sequel to a series you loved and knew all about. You walked away not liking the movie for whatever reason. You came across someone who is a huge fan and totally loved the movie. You shared your feelings about how you felt the story was terrible and the acting was horrible..so forth and so on (whatever), but the person who liked the movie, said your an idiot, you don't know what your talking about and you shouldn't be so dismissive about it. They call you names, talk trash and say your an fool just because you didn't like the same movie they thoroughly enjoyed. It does NOT mean any of the following…
A:) You have no idea what your talking about
B:) You should listen to the "fan" and re-watch the "movie" until you eventually like it.
C:) Re-think your opinion or doubt yourself based on everyone elses feelings about the "movie".
Simply put, its an opinion….take it or leave it. Its great you love the record, but everyone does not have to feel the same way. Sorry, just the way it works.
By the way, "the hot slut" is my wife.
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Rico replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Keith,
Props to how you admitted to living in your mom's basement. Funny stuff. I agree with how some songs can sound a lot like earlier songs, but I don't really find it obnoxious unless it is complete theft due to lack of creativity. (i.e. Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" OMFG I hate that song) Your tolerance level to this sort of thing is probably lower than mine.
Lee,
I was just having fun, not trying to completely diss you. I was well aware you guys were married – It's in the about us section hahaha.
I disagree with your point on the movie though. Watching a movie and listening to an album are not the same at all. My favorite movies are Predator and Dumb and Dumber, but there is no way in hell I could ever watch them every week, much less every month.
My favorite album is A7X's Waking the Fallen with NIN's "The Downward Spiral" at a close second. I could definitely listen to those albums more that once a week, if not every day (I gained 20 lbs of muscle on WTF alone hahaha).
When I first heard My Chemical Romance, I dismissed them because well… they are kind of gay. I decided to eventually give them a second chance and now I'm somewhat of a closet fan (meaning I'm not very open about it and still call them gay).
I saw Sherlock Holmes and hated it the first time because I thought Robert Downey Jr. was lame. I saw it again and tried to give it another chance and I fell asleep. He was amazing in Tropic Thunder though.
Movies and Music are just not on the same playing field, but I guess I can understand where you are coming from. Maybe you can find it in your heart to eventually love this album someday hahahaha.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
The "movie" was a mere analogy man, that is all. It could be about anything that you liked or disliked. The point is, if you like (dislike) something and someone has a differing opinion, neither of you are right or wrong. But you shouldn't have to listen (watch,eat etc..) to something over and over again until you like it.
I'm off, gotta sit down and review the new 10 years record.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Hey Lee, up there when you're making your point, did you mean *you're? Watch that grammar dude,
. But I agree with what you said. Each of your opinion's should be valued and respected. But your wife was very disrespectful to Jimmy's memory. She should be nicer and people wouldn't be so psycho towards her.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Everybody coming on here is saying how we should be nice? Why? Because all of you have been nice and respectful to us? I'm not being a smart ass. I would genuinely like to know.
And I think you mean opinions, not opinion's.
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Yea my bad, trying to reply to too many things at once…ooops typo.
As far what Jennifer said, I don't believe she was disrespectful to anyone. The fact that this guy did it to himself is what is so disrespectful. As a fan of the band, you should feel betrayed and let down that someone you admired was selfish enough to do this to himself. I'm sure you will say "it was an accident, he didn't mean to kill himself" and I'm sure you are correct. But, with that being said, these rock stars get so caught up in their own lifestyles that they care less about life and how precious it truly is. Fans shouldn't mourn him, you should mourn and feel sorry for the family that he so selfishly left behind.
Just because these people (whether its Jim Morrison, Elvis, Kurt Cobain,Layne Staley, Jimmy Hendrix, Paul Gray or "The Rev", just naming a few) are stars and in the worlds eye does not make them any more important than anyone else. Should we value their lives more than the average person who is a junkie or addict? You might say, "Well he meant and gave so much with his music." There are fortune 500 companies that are run by junkies and addicts who have made and are currently making more impact than this guy ever would have. Just sayin'
Bottom line, Jimmy made a tragic mistake that cost him his life. But, I can't feel sorry for him because it was his decision and his decision alone. I do however feel sorry for his family that will have to deal with this loss for the rest of their lives. If any of the other band members are in the same boat as he was, hopefully they will head the warning and not make the same mistake/s that he did.
Thanks for the comment, take a look around…we work with all styles of metal and hard rock. Maybe you can find something that you enjoy.
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michael replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
@Lee You say that you feel sorry for his family yet some of the things that have been said is very disrespectful to his family
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I don't think the reviewer can call himself a fan if he's only listened to one of their albums, usually a fan of a band has listened to more than one of a bands albums. Plus in case you haven't noticed the band is probably still upset about losing one of their closest friends, so if M. Shadows is slurring the lyrics in Fiction then he probably broke down whilst recording the song.
A7x FoREVer
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I love seeing some sites like this giving it a low rating, then sites giving it a perfect rating. I'm sorry, but this is Avenged Sevenfold, imo, the most talented band, Mainly because of how many different ways all of the members can play in different styles and genres. I'd like to see a band who has the guts to do what they do, and actually pull it off.
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
i totaly agree with you, well said my friend
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Yeah the Rev sings quite a bit of "Fiction" and as i've read in other reviews you can't just listen to this album with the hopes of getting hard rocking metal album but mainly a tribute to the Rev. To cut down "Fiction" is almost the worst thing you can do, if you know the importance of the song you look past the piano and Rev's slurred vocals and listen to the lyrics. I'll agree on Danger Line it's not a career highlight same for Tonight the World Dies. But to only list God Hates Us, Natural Born Killer, and Nightmare as the only thing good about the album is so narrow-minded as those are the heaviest tracks on the album along with "Welcome to the Family." Look into the lyrics and how they celebrate the Rev and you can truly apreciate this album.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Well, these reviews tell me that this site cannot be trusted, because this album is amazing. It mixes elements of all the A7X albums together and brings in new influences. And yes, Fiction singing is slurred but that's because they had to use the vocals Jimmy left for the demo. You people judge without fully understanding and keep your mind closed to the raw emotion that this album brings to the table. Imagine losing your brother and recording an album half as good as this, then let we'll talk.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Here we go again with the whole "this site cannot be trusted" thing. HA HA HA! Like I have said TIME and TIME and TIME and TIME again. Just because we gave your beloved band a bad review has NOTHING to do with the trustworthiness of the site. If we had given it a good review, I am more than positive that your feelings would be different. Get over it people, everyone does not have to like the same stuff you do.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
We couldnt care less if this was a bad review, the point is, is that if the writer is going to be disrespectful and not know the facts about what he/she is writing about, it cant be a trusted source. I'm sure these comments would be different if they gave a more positive review but I'm more certain that if he was nice about it and did some research, we would all be fine with it besides a few people that just like to rant about anything bad about this band. I love all different types of music. This guy could have written a review like this on Lady GaGa (I'm not a big fan) and I'd still be here saying that it was rude and disrespectful. It doesnt matter who it is being reviewed, it matters if the info is correct and the reviewer went in with an open mind.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Like I have said in other post. Keith was given a press release via the label and PR that stated nothing of which you are talking about. He did what he had to do based on the information given to him. Plain and simple.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
but why couldnt he go and find information for himself? PR and label people aren't the ones who created the music so why go by what they had to say instead of those who actually know the real facts? It's sad that he wasnt very professional in writing this. Some of the stuff he said was not called for and he could have prevented all of us fans flocking here and doing this if he had done some research. That's what's got me on this, the lack of his own research. Granted I respect his opinion and yours on this matter but the review could have been worded a bit different to get the point across.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
The band is represented by a label and a pr firm who are "supposed" to have their best interest. The label and the pr are "supposed" to be working for the band correct? If the label nor the pr firm cared enough to promote this certain aspects of the album….where does the fault truly lie? I get what your saying and all, but, would that little bit of information (that the label NOR the pr cared enough to include remind you
)made a difference in your feelings about the reviewer?
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Yeah it would make a difference about my feelings toward the reviewer. It's called manners and saying that if you dont like something, just saying that you dont like it works.
Avenged likes to go out and promote the details of the album while they let the firm take care of the over all aspects of the album. It's their style, it's they way they do things. But let's not try to make me question the loyalty their label or that of the pr firm has for Avenged. Their label has a large about of loyalty to the band and that's obvious when you look at the contract. WB has no say in what goes on a record. For them to have that much faith in the band, that is caring.
But thanks for the fun and making it so i couldnt comment on your last reply. I may be 16 but i'm not a stupid little girl that doesnt know how to go around barriors or have a good taste in music.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I'm sorry, but that's how YOU think it works. You should always question things in this industry. Labels have a large amount of loyalty to ANY band that makes them money. REGARDLESS of who they are. But loyalty only goes so far. Do not believe all that you hear and or see in the music business.
By the way, I never made it to where you cant reply…..
and don't worry, I thought I knew everything at 16 too
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Yeah, you gotta remember, Melissa, that when a band hires a PR rep, that person is effectively a second mouth for the band, other than the band itself. In this industry, if the PR rep says (or doesn't say) something, it is held in the same regard as the band saying or not saying. Therefore: If the PR didn't say anything about it, but it is an important facet of the music, the fault lies with them, not us.
And I am the only 16 year old here who knows everything, thank you.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Yeah i noticed that i cant comment on anyone from this site so I'll forgive you for that one. haha
PR firms should just go out of business then and I'll i'm saying is you guys dont have to follow what they say, be lil' rebels and go find our own stuff, dont follow the crowd! Ahh fuck it, enough with the speech you get in gym class, just do your own stuff, screw everything that is "offically released" if it's shit.
And for the record, I know all, so thank you. ;D besides, I dont think like a 16 year old, i possess too much genious.
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The NewReview replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Comments will only thread 5 levels deep. That's why you can't reply to some comments.
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Jenna replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:19 am
A good reviewer does research, they do not just take a press release and write away. The facts in this review are wrong, months ago it was known The Rev would sing on Fiction, come on guys.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Me, thanks for the comment. I think the main issue here is that everyone has their own opinion and just because our reviewer has a different opinion than yours doesn't mean his is the RIGHT opinion. He was just giving an honest assessment of an album he volunteered to review. As they say, bad press is better than no press. Hope you enjoy the site.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Dear Josh,
Thank you for remaining sane and polite through all of this mud-slinging. I'm glad that someone has. It really disappoints me when fans of a band get so hot headed over reviews that really are just someone's own opinion. While yes, I will join in and say there were parts of the review that could have used some personal research or better wording, I realize there are other things in the works that us fans don't have access to like the PR firms and such.In the way it was written there were a few things that could be deemed incorrect facts. It disappoints me that this went from several comments to an all out battle royal over something that boils down to opinion. In my opinion, isn't even their best album. It's also annoying that people would discredit the site as a whole for this one review but I'm sure its nothing people in the biz of writing reviews aren't used to. In closing I'm very pleased to see that you are weathering this so well and I'm sorry for the hail-storm of abuse being riddled over an opinion.
-Q-
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Thanks CallMeQuixotic. Everyone here appreciates your comments. As you said, everything here comes down to opinion. We as a staff are gladly willing to share our opinion daily with different reviews, blogs, news articles, etc. that we cast off to our wonderful audience. Be as it may, with reviews, this is a lose-lose situation. As a reviewer, you are not going to please everyone and we all understood that when we agreed to write. No one here claims to be perfect and mistake will be made along the way. Fortunately, as a site, we are passionate and committed to providing people entertaining, informative and thoughtful reviews covering a gammut of sounds in hopes that you too will join us in finding the next best thing the music world has to offer.
Once again, thanks for the comment and we hope you enjoy what we're doing here.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
I apologize but as it is the end of my day and reading most of these comments have wiped me of my ability to write well. But yes, you are welcome and good luck in the future! Sorry about the backlash and please don't think poorly of all fans, we aren't ALL like that I promise.
-Q-
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Thanks Q. We appreciate it. Hope you come visit again!
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
You, Keith Anderson, have got almost all of your information wrong. They released Nightmare because they wanted to do it for Jimmy and the fans that have stuck with them through everything.
How can you say that Fiction isnt the tribute the band would have wanted for Jimmy. Jimmy wrote and recorded the fucking song. The "odd piano" you hear is definitly not avenged style but it's Pinkly Smooth's style. This song was supposed to be for pinkly smooth but because Gates and the Rev put that band on the side burner, jimmy never finished it until 3 days before he died. Now i understand if you dont like the song but dont go saying it's not the fitting tribute to Jimmy because it sure the hell is.
Warner Brothers gave a7x complete creative freedom over their stuff and infact, when the album was finished, in one day the execs came in, gave a listen, and asked what they wanted their single to be and in true avenged style they chose almost a 7 minute song and WB rolled with it.
The producer was a big fan of avenged and approached them to work on the album so they gave him a shot.
This album is finished and it's beautifully finished. It's what they wanted and what the fans in what we call the deathbat army wanted to hear. Oh and if you must know, you cant just play one song on this album and stop it, write your shit and then continue, you have to listen to it all the way through to get the full effect.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Go fuck yourselves. That's the Rev singing on Fiction you dumb fuck. He was trying to record anything. The mic was just on. All the songs are good. All of them. How dare you laugh at Fiction, which wasn't really made as a tribute to the Rev, it was the Rev's goodbye. He wrote it and played the piano. Get your facts straight. Fuck you.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Jared, you may be angry (a safe assumption at this point) but using profanity to punctuate your points comes across as immature. If it makes you feel any better, I think "Fiction" is the strongest song on the album. Either way, keep rocking.
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Lily replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Well the reviewer certainly doesn't think so..
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
But he isn't the reviewer. Even so, the reviewer is entitled to his opinion no matter how inflammatory it may be to fans.
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Obviously the reviewer is an attention-seeking pathetic fat man living in his mother's basement. He wrote a bad review so that he can "stick out" from the rest of the reviewers who gave good reviews. While you type away in that lonely basement, Avenged Sevenfold keeps on rolling with fame, cash, and the respect they deserve.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Please…you're making sane fans like me look bad. Let the man have his opinion; other people are allowed to dislike things you like.
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 6:57 am
Agreed. If you have something to say, at least say it in a fashionable manner, and not like a 6 year old.
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Mayhem replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Get over yourself…
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July 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Those vocals were the demo version and it was enough to put on the album. The demos arent always as crisps as the final product.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I see it all of the time. Once one bad review is posted, everyone that reads the review it is joining along with the reviewer and saying that it also sucks as well, like in this case. I don't think Nightmare is a bad album, although a lot of you on here will probably disagree with me. Being a fan since the STST days (which most of you probably are not even real fans and are just passing by here to join on the hate wagon and comment), this is a different approach, and I will admit it, it took me a couple of listens to really warm up the the album. Yes, it has its weak points, but it has its strong ones as well. And for those of you commenting about the singing on Fiction, that is how the Rev always sings. I don't really know where you get the "it souns like someone is singing drunk" theory, but whatever…
JMO, and you don't have to agree with it.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Well said Alyssa. Very well said.
While I don't think it's the BEST record it's got it's good points (maybe I'm still 'warming up' though). Fiction is a good song and while some fans might know that is how Jimmy sings I have to admit there was one portion he seemed to be singing lower or almost out of his range where he seemed garbled which, in contrast to the rest of the cleaner more 'Jimmy' sound I didn't dig as much. But awesome thoughts anyway.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
To the hardcore fan, Fiction is a treasure. To the average listener, they may not understand the origin of the song, so I could see where they are coming from. Many of The Revs songs were different, unique, and somewhat hard to get into, but they grow on you. Such songs like A Little Piece Of Heaven, Brompton Cocktail, Fiction, etc.
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Justin replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Thankyou. Couldnt have said it better. It still hurts me to hear people talk in such disrespect of him.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Opinions are opinions, fine. But, one thing you're way off on is the song fiction. The lyrics aren't M Shadows that you're criticizing. That's the Rev singing duet with him. The lyrics were recorded just prior to the Rev passing. The very slurred part you're talking about was supposed to just be a rough take the Rev recorded, but they ended up using in the finished version because they wanted his voice on there.
Also, the piano loop you're talking is because this song was actually a song the Rev wrote with Synyster Gates in their little side project called Pinkly Smooth. There is an EP out that not many people know about by Pinkly Smooth that uses odd piano parts and such that he says he used because he was inspired by works of Oingo Boingo and Danny Elfman-type pieces.
The Rev does all the vocals on Pinkly Smooth stuff. If you listen to Nosferatu Does a Hefty Dance or Mcfly, you'll hear the immediate similarities in the song-style.
Other than that, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I really like the album, but whatever, it's not for everybody. Just clearing the "Fiction" criticism
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Thanks for the comment. Keith was given information to work with and it proved to be either inaccurate or not as detailed as required in this instance. Hope you understand.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
I can't believe what I am reading here. First and foremost, as a journalist, Keith Anderson, you should really do your research and know the material before you jump to conclusions. Let me help you out here. The song Fiction, which was finshed by Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan 3 days before his unfortunate passing. The "slurring" you are referring to is actual demo recording of Jimmy singing and NOT Shadows. M. Shadows does sing parts of this song both in conjection with and alternating with Jimmy. This is their fallen brother, and Shadows best friend, and they released this song and album as a tribute to him. So using his recordings, dispite the less than optimal quality, was resonable and appropriate. It isn't supposed to rock out, it is supposed to be what it is…an erie and clairvoyant song that deals with his death.
As far as the rest of the album, to each his own I guess, I love it as I have loved all their material from A7X to Waken The Fallen.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
is this the a7x hate site :L:L:L:L sad or what…this is the ONLY bad review of this record.. the last people who wrote a review like this had to make a formal apology coz it was wrong…as for the lass who clearly wants to be hayley williams but doesnt have any tallent (jen) i think you should do some research before you comment considering you couldent even tell matt and jimmy apart…hah you really make my laugh, fucking ginger bitch
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
No, they made a formal apology because the pissed-of community of "A7X foREVer!!!!11!" fanboys tore them to pieces. They took it down and said:
"[The Reviewing Site] recently published a track-by-track guide to the forthcoming Avenged Sevenfold album. We wish to apologize wholeheartedly for any misunderstanding in the article that caused upset to both the band and their fans. This was certainly not our intention and therefore we have removed the piece from the site."
They then wrote a positive review *not because theirs was wrong*, but because it offended the fans. Now maybe you should get your facts straight before freaking out.
Unlike that site, we stand by out reviews no matter if the band's fans throw a temper tantrum. Now as Josh said, let's be civil please.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
First off Jake lets get a couple of things straight…
She is a hell of a lot hotter than Hayley Williams. Ha Ha Ha Ha! Second, there isn't a chance in hell that this site, Keith or any of us will apologize to you or anyone else. Just because he gave your favorite band a band review.
Later tater…
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
I'm older than Hayley Williams, so maybe she wants to be me. Plus my hair is naturally this color (red), and not dyed (orange).
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
die slow all of you keep enjoying lil wayne on auto tune
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Let it be known that none of us condone the actions or artistic endeavors of Lil' Wayne. Carry on.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Seconded.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Umm, thirded.
And yes, I know that's not a real word.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Hey dumbfuck, The part in "Fiction" where Matt Shadows (The singer) slurs his singing was sung by The Rev ( the former and now deceased drummer). You're obviously not an A7X fan if you got their singing confused. Go die in a fire…
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Wow your comment is so thought provoking. The label sent out information along with the album. Keith used what he was given BY WARNER BROS. about this record. I went back and looked and Not a single word was mentioned about "The Rev" singing on "Fiction."
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Lily replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Hey, dipshit, the Rev WROTE Fiction and he had co-vocals on the song. Listen to some interviews and get your information straight (oh thats right, you hate Avenged Sevenfold).
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Synester00 replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
The band OFFICIALLY stated in several interviews that The Rev guest stars in the song and he even wrote the entire song three days before he died.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
So we are supposed to watch interviews of bands that we review to hoping that relative information is in them? That's insane
We get information from labels, bands and PR that send us albums for review…
Another question, why is it a must that everyone mention that this was done "three days before he died?" Simply put, it was done prior to his death. I'm just curious, does this make the song sound any better or make it anymore relevant?
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Steven replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Yes, in fact, it does. That Jimmy finished writing the song so close to the time of his passing is one of the main reasons the song is on the album at all. From that perspective, the listener can interpret the song lyrically as Jimmy saying goodbye to the band, his family, friends, and fans. The majority of the people defending this review (especially you), are being far too defensive to actually see the point the fans are trying to make. This review was created with a substantial lack of information, and, therefore, is a half-assed effort that cannot be taken seriously.
I'm sorry that the reviewers at this site lack the initiative to do their own research. Especially when all of the relevant information about this album can be located in a matter of seconds.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
People interpret things differently. You say tomato i say toe-mato…..lets call the whole thing off
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Katy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Why aren't more people talking about how cute Keith is?
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
but its a fact that he did…just listen to it…surely you didnt base a review on writing??
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Considering in almost every interview about the song or the album, they specifically said his vocals were on there…Just saying.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Hey…listen, I agree, but don't embarrass Avenged Sevenfold and the rest of their fans with immature crap like "Go die in a fire."
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Just making a few points to clarify.
The band was working with Mike Elizondo was working with the band before the Rev's death.
Mike Portnoy was The Rev's favorite drummer and is a friend of the band's.
Fiction includes vocals that the Rev recorded days before he died. Did you listen to the lyrics? They kept them there for a reason. "I hope it's worth it, out on the highway, I hope you'll find your own way when I'm not with you."
The band was going to go into the studio in January initially until he died, so this is pretty close to what it would have been, save for the lyrics and Fiction, probably.
Nothing against your review, as you are entitled to your opinion, but I figured I'd just inform you of a few things which may help clarify.
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Francis replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Oops, forgot to clarify (even further): The vocals on Fiction were recorded days prior to his death on the demo version of the song. (Obviously not the studio version.)
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Double “Nightmare!” – #1 And #3 Best Selling Albums On iTunes!
411Mania Give Nightmare A 9.0!
Distorted News Gives “Nightmare” A 10/10.
Metal News Gives “Nightmare” A 8.7 Out Of 10.
Metromix:Their best record, and, in its own punishing way, a nice tribute
so kids, when it comes to the REAL critics this album is great….as for this guy wholooks like he is obviously a convicted pedophile, well what can i say its probably allot different to the music he is alowed to liten to in jail….good day to yah
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Hard to say those are real critics. What makes a REAL critic? Someone who gives Avenged Sevenfold a high score? Consider me confused. Unfortunately, you lose all credibility in your comment by resorting to tacky name-calling as well. Let's be civil, people.
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Gabby replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
I find the last statement very hypocritical coming from a person who continues to bash Avenged Sevenfold like they don't have any feelings.
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
no, i was pointing out the fact that every other review point sout the fact that its a good album….except this one…hmmm i find myself doubting the skills of this reveiwer…clearly basing the whole thing on opinion…then again, i just looked at some of the bands you like, PFFT theyre certainly unremarkable…but whatever all i can say is…read every single comment on this site by an a7x fan and tell us we arnt the best fucking loyal fans ever!!! exactly we're one big family here standing up for the fact that nightmare is an awesome album!!
PS. you look like a dwarf
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To Jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Jake. You sound like a fucktard. Get it together.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
That last comment has my mascara running and I just spent a few minutes searching for my razor. Thanks. Name me an album that has complete, 100% universal acclaim. I want links, everything. My point is, there will always be someone not as thrilled with a piece of work released by an artist, it is just going to happen.
You guys may be loyal but you are certainly immature, short-fused, and for the most part lack patience as well. Additionally, you are simply tarnishing my view of Avenged Sevenfold even more knowing that these type of people associate with them.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have an Avenged Sevenfold altar to build before I bleed out.
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you know replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Now wouldn't you feel like an ass hole if the person was a real cutter, which is a serious topic. For someone who keeps on talking about being civilized well that wasn't a very civilized reply.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
You're right. That wasn't a civilized reply. This rather immature commenting is really rubbing off on me. I would like to apologize to any self-harmers out there. Offense need not be taken. As for my mascara, it is still running.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
While it ISN'T a civilized reply I'd like to see you wade through the mudslinging and come out without a few short-tempered responses. As a fan this kind of 'support' really annoys me. (not you specifically) but all the cursing and all out rage over one 'less that favorable' review.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Josh, it is manscara. Get it right.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Dang it. I'm still getting used to this.
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
werw, just because i sound 'imature and short fused' doesnt mean you can stereotype the rest of us…id rather you took an individuall dig at me…EVERYONE I AM IMMATURE AND SHORT FUSED…tbh, yeah id agree with you…makes life more fun
and i LOVE arguing, its my second favorite hobby…behind listening to a7x…haha just kidding…have fun fighting everyone, i think im done for the day :L
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
I don't really know what else you want me to go off of? Even if this is a small sample size of Avenged Sevenfold fans does that mean I ignore the results? Nonetheless, thanks for visiting the site. Hope you find a review you might enjoy here in the future.
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
i may well do..i will continue to check for more reviews of different bands i like
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Sweet. Thanks for your input, Jake.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Hey please don't hate on all of us.
Some are sane and can accept a decent crit of the band we <3.
I'd love to see some people here make it through art school… sorry. Anyway I don't condone the pyro-display of hate that's goin' down here at all. I promise.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
No, there's no hate involved. Just head-scratching. I appreciate everyone's interest in the review and I do think it is remarkable that people are willing to defend a band so quickly which is a testament to the band and their following, yet this review is simply one raindrop in the ocean. Argue, please argue but let's do it a little more level-headed, alright? Myself included.
We at the NewReview love our readers whether they want to rip our heads off or not. We wouldn't be able to do what we do without any of you.
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you know replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
To CallMeQuixotic I'm not sure if you were replying to me about going through this without giving a short-tempered response or not. I really get what your saying but I could do it without bringing up a topic of self-abuse and associating it with "emos" (since mascara was mentioned) or any other serious topic. If you looked I did have a short-tempered response to the writers mentioning he's never recored while being wasted or something. eh oh well though.
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you know replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
ah and yeah I totally messed up some spelling on that last response lol
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Hey You Know:
I agree with you that the comment was unnecessary and from the standpoint of someone who used to deal with said issue it's always a little annoying to see it being taken in such a light manner and associated the way it is. I was just saying until that comment Josh was pretty level headed for the amount of junk being thrown at him and his site. The fact that he apologized is also something I think is good, there a more than a few people saying worse things who have yet to admit they were being hot tempered. Personally I think stab at a problem like that, while bad, isn't as awful as saying something to the tune of 'eff off and die.' But that is just me.
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Becca replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Please don't speak for all fans. I'm extremely loyal to Avenged Sevenfold, but I'm not immature and I don't lash out at people because they don't like something I do. I happen to like this album, as I have liked everything they have done starting with STST. This man, doesn't. Whatever. I won't lose sleep over it.
And while all these fans are ranting about 'respect', take a look at what you're saying. Respect this man's opinion, wether you like it or not.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Thanks for the comment, Becca. Keep rocking!
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
That 'slur' that you hear is The Rev. Do your homework and then write a review, okay?
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tpislegend replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
hey alyson!
can you give me the url to your music review site? i am soooo curious about your opinion about your favorite bands and stuff.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
+10, baby.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Wow, you guys really have a horrible taste for music. It's ok not to like an album but at least get your facts right. The nasal vocals you hear is the only vocals that The Rev (not M.Shadows) recorded for anything on that album and it was their tribute to add his vocals to HIS song. Have you never heard his vocals before? That's his singing style. Listen to "Little Piece of Heaven" or the chorus of "Critical Acclaim" or any old Pinkly Smooth song. That's how he sings. Next, the soaring female vocals you speak of from Dark Side of the Moon are on "The Great Gig in the Sky", not "Brain Damage" (which is what you seem to be suffering from after reading your review). Next, the Metallica comparison on "Buried Alive"….ok it does have a lot of Metallica influence…but "The Unforgiven"??? Really? Have you ever listened to Metallica? And just because "Tonight the World Dies" has a Em to C chord progression you think it's a copy of STP? Let's think of all of the rock songs that have a Em to C chord progression…. Pink Floyd "Breath", Nirvana "Something in the Way", Johnny Cash "Hurt", REM "Everybody Hurts", STP "Creep", Metallica "Nothing Else Matters", Seether "Broken"…..I could go on and on but the point is that it is an extremely popular chord progression for SAD SONGS! They just lost their best friend and one of the best drummers in the world. If you don't like their music…fine….I guess that's what they pay you for….but to go so far as to make fun of the final song ever recorded by a very influential musician is just down right wrong. If this album is so bad I guess that's why it is already number 1 and number 3 respectively on iTunes and will likely fight it's way to the top of the billboard charts as well. There…I'm done ranting…now go back to your STP album.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Andy, do you like Tayor Swift? She was number 1 on iTunes for quite awhile. Connect the dots. Thanks for your comment.
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Andy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Why you hatin' on Taylor Swift????
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Touche.
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Andy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
lol
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
"Wow, you guys really have a horrible taste for music. "Based on this album (and your allegiance to this band) couldn't we say the same thing about you? Just sayin'
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Andy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Majority rules dude….100% of the reviews I've seen prior to this one have been extremely favorable of the album….so yes….I stand by my previous comment….you guys have a horrible taste for music.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I like Paramore! Am I the only exception?
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Oh dear God, was that a pun?
I laughed though
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
+10.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
That's your opinion of Keith's opinion though. It's not factual information therefore there's no real ground for argument. It's just your opinion that his taste in music is bad because he happened to give it a lower review than any other review site, and his review happens to clash with your opinion.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I find it so amusing how people like you can sit and criticise an album as if your opinion is the only one out there. Yes, you can try to deny it but the fact is, you (the writer of this article and the commenters) have blantently said that this album is ridiculously awful (in general) and that is that.
I have to firstly just admit that I am actually an A7X fan and for me, this album was absolutely incredible. The raw emotion created from it, mixed with the talented linguistics and musicianship that formed each song completely blew me away. I am positive that many will disagree but that is just my opinion and I thought that that is vital to my comment.
I can easily see how you have made comparisons from songs on this album to great songs of the past but it is pretty much impossible to ever write anything that doesn't sound somewhat similar to a previous masterpiece. It's called being influenced. Name me one album that doesn't have any songs that sound like another song from another artist/band.
You, Keith, have no real basis to stand on. I read through this article carefully and it seems to me that your main 'point' is that the songs seem disjointed and you claim that "Nightmare is not finished". For many fans, this sort of jaggedness is quite a redeemable quality and I actually quite enjoy. The changes that are sharp and don't seem to fit together make the songs more interesting and means that you never grow bored. Nightmare was very much finished too. Months and months of hard effort went into this album and the roughness was probably intentional. I definitely wouldn't have liked anything different.
I guess that you may be bored of reading this by now (if anyone has bothered to) but I just want to really point out that you cannot claim that Avenged Sevenfold are past their best so flippantly, as if you know best. No – you need to be much more balanced and actually note that while you don't like the songs, many others do and your closed mind that just wants certain sounding songs (which are similar to 'God Hates Us') is actually more restricting than the album itself. You have focussed your mind so that you will not accept something different so that you think it's wrong and useless.
Now that is just plain sad. At least listen to an album properly and give it a chance before writing something so opinionated and false. Otherwise your article has no actual substance to it.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Aanchel, we appreciate the comment. After reading your thoughts I am somewhat cloudy. Should Keith totally disregard his personal opinion of the album in favor of wiping the tears off of mourning Avenged Sevenfold fans' cheeks? All I am saying is that with your thoughts you are seemingly attempting to convince Keith he is wrong when in reviewing music (a hobby wherein the individual will never please ever reader) everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of enjoying the product or not. Thanks for maintaining civility, hope you are enjoying the site.
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Lily replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Yeah, like anyone knows about this site..
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Actually Lily they do
In just 10 months of existence we average over 70k unique visitors a month (and growing every single day) as well as work with every major label out there. We also work with just about every single hard rock/metal independent label and pr known to man. Right now we are working on some albums that are still 3, 4 even 5 months out. Just because we didn't like this album means absolutely nothing. Its just another cog in the wheel.
Thanks for the comment.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Thank you Lee and Josh for being civil about this whole thing and not going ape shit.
I just don't understand why people got all upset over this review. I am a hardcore fan, and I have been for 10 years, and this review didn't really bother me. Maybe there was some slight lack of knowledge about Fiction, but otherwise it was Keiths opinion, and although I don't agree with it, I do respect it. I really do like Nightmare,and obviously some of the people here don't, but thats okay. I couldn't care if no one in the entire world liked the record. As long is I do, that is all what matters. But, I will admit it honestly, some of the haters' comments are here are quite annoying. Such as Steve calling us "little hot topic kids" and "freaky teeny boppers", or Jen with her stupid arrogant comments. And yes, there are some fans out there that are like that, but pretty much every band that you will find has them. The A7X fans are also called emos. It annoys me, but hey, whatever.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Thanks for the comments, Alyssa. As said before it is all about opinion. Also, no one's perfect. Mistakes are bound to happen to the best of us. I can't begin to tell you the mistakes I have made. We're all learning, all growing as writers here. We welcome everyone's praise and criticism. And yes, the name-calling needs to stop, discussion without it is possible, I assure you. Either way, thanks again for your kind words and hopefully you are enjoying what we are trying to do here! It's all about the music.
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Thank god there's some civility in some people.
I'm a hardcore A7X fan but damn, a lot of them are just immature and disrespectful.
If you disagree with the review at least back it up in a mature fashion.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Lily, this review may have pissed you off but I guarantee you can count on us for honest and fair reviews of anything under the sun musically. While we won't be reviewing Lil' Wayne anytime soon, we hope you could continue to check us out and find some great new music. Thanks for the comment.
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
What I am trying to say is that Keith's article appears to make out that the album was a complete failure and it's almost like he is trying to say that his opinion is actually fact. I didn't appreciate the fact that the article criticised the album and basically just said it was disjointed and A7X have gone downhill without exploring why this opinion was held enough.
No, that was not the way that Keith should have written it. He should have stated his opinion (and clearly made out that it was just a personal view) but backed it up more. I can barely see much evidence in the article to support any of his points, except for the comparisons to other songs and stating that Matt sounded like he was slurring in 'Fiction' (although that was The Rev, but I think enough people have pointed that out already). My problem is that he said he liked City of Evil and not this album, without providing enough clarification for his points.
He didn't have to "[wipe] the tears off of mourning Avenged Sevenfold fans' cheeks" to write a good article. Just because I am sad about Jimmy's passing does not mean that I expect all of the reviews of 'Nightmare' to be good. No; critique is good but you have to be professional about it, do your research and actually attempt to open your mind and give the album a chance. Fair enough, if he didn't like it (which is pretty obvious), then he just had to explain WHY a bit more. That's all I'm asking for. Until then, articles which parade around the fact that an album "is not finished" cannot exist. If I had read this article before listening to the album, then I would have not known why this apparent roughness was being criticised or why Keith complained how "effort had been rescued". It would have made me prejudice against the album with no actual reason.
Thank you for your last sentence though. I honestly believe that immature behaviour has no place in a dignified discussion and truth be told, this is the first time I have stumbled across this site but I shall explore it further
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
If you want his proof, where's yours that The Rev sang on "Fiction", ya know? I haven't seen one angry commenter link anything which proved it.
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
@Anthony:
Check here: http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/you-cant-win-this-fight/
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Thanks! I'm glad you're one of the few to actually carry on a civil debate without flipping out. I appreciate the link too!
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
No problem. I think it's so difficult to express a point if one is acting like a fussy kid. I have to admit that I get awfully embarrassed when people with a similar view to mine completely flip out…
Oh, and no problem for the link as well. Like I've said before, evidence is always needed to support any statement so it's only fair that I have the evidence to support my views too.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
You are now highly respected in my book, friend. I totally understand what you mean, too. It's a shame, but not everyone has learned that when you flip out and take personal stabs at who you're disagreeing with, it only makes you look bad and reinforces the other side. Thanks for the comments!
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Oh well thank you, friend.
I completely agree with you. People need to learn that in order to be respected and to get people to listen to them, they need to say more than a few vulgar words about how the reviewer knows nothing and is disrespecting the Rev. At least explain WHY one thinks that!
I have to say that after reading through these comments, I'm much more inclined to the opposite side of the case just because it seems like the more sensible side. *sigh* When will people just grow up? They shouldn't comment if they don't have something with reasoning and meaning to say.
Oh, and no problem. It's nice to see different opinions created from a single piece of (controversial) writing.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
here you go. Start at 6 minutes and listen to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYXVbQUjKI0&feature=player_embedded#!
Actually you can get a lot of the stuff us fans are talking about through this entire interview. There is 5 parts i think.
If you want some more proof here you go…
Amazon.com biography- has statements from the band. Zacky V confirms that fiction is the only song with the rev's vocals
http://www.amazon.com/Avenged-Sevenfold/e/B000APYAHY/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1279664107&sr=8-1
or you can go to deathbatnews.com and read it as well. You'll have to type you can't win this fight in the search bar and it will come up and all you have to do is click on it.
Deathbatnews.com has a review as well where the owner of the site went to Zacky's house and listened to the album. She talks about the rev's vocals in the part of the review about fiction. I know this isnt a super credible thing but she went to his house to hear it so that's a primary source since she was there.
and here is a radio interview Syn and Shadows did with Ronni Hunter. They talk about fiction starting at 3:30 minutes. They talk about how the song started being written and then Shadows says that they saved some of the vocals and put them in the song. The interview is kinda hard to hear but if you turn up the volume it's there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDatBbnLcCA&feature=player_embedded#!
If you would like more proof, ask, I've got more. Just so you know, i'm not an angry commenter either. i rather enjoyed going back and reading and listening to these so thanks for allowing me to give myself a little refresher.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Yep! Love it. Thanks for backing up your argument in a civil way and not flaming.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
@Melissa: I appreciate you taking the time to respond. My problem was during this entire review process, the band stopped returning my phone calls. They also had me arrested for trying to break in for an interview. And to think that's the reward I got for all those years of writing threatening letters to them.
Anyway, I only had the album itself to go by and the press release from their PR folks. With all of the rumor sites and unreliability of the Internet in general, I will just keep stalking them and hoping they'll notice me on the back row of their shows.
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Deathbatnews.com my friend, it's stalking made easy. Credible and fun. I sound like a damned late night show trying to sell you shit.
Stalk away and thanks for clarifying your review in the comments. We fans do have a temper but that's something you have to over look until they come back on and write something nice.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Keith, your humor cracks me up.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Besides the review by Rock Sound, this is honestly the worst review I have ever read. Almost anyone can tell that you have not done any research whatsoever before listening to the album. You thought that M. Shadows was the only one singing in Fiction? Ha! That was the Rev singing it, and in case you didn't research on this, he finished the song and recorded the so-called "nasally" vocals three days before he died. Yes, I understand that you are not a fan of them, but being a reviewer does not give you the right to bash it down to every single note that was played.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Hey, look at all the little Hot Topic children. This is hilarious. You people are as nutty as those stupid ass fuck H.I.M fans. Its sad that the drummer died yes, but its sad when any decent person dies. Get over it, this record is anything but good. I bought this shit today and I'm pissed. What a damn disgrace.
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Firstly, there is no need to act uncivilised by name-calling. Seriously, are you ten?
We are allowed to be sad about Jimmy's passing. He was a person just like any other, so he deserves to be mourned. You might not give a damn about him, but we all did. We haven't even really brought up his death all that much on this web-page.
Furthermore, we don't give a damn if you're pissed. So what – you don't like a record. Big fucking deal. Get over it and don't waste your time insulting those who want to defend it.
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Steve replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Look at some of you fanatics and their name calling of the reviewer you fool. They come onto the board and call him stupid and a pedophile not knowing anything about him other than he gave this album a bad review. Like I said before, I love Avenged Sevenfold but this album sucks. Like you said, who gives a damn if your pissed. Like who the hell are you anyway? You feel like you and your fanatic fan base should be able to come and talk shit and not be dealt the same fate. Get the fuck over it. You people need a swift kick in the ass.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
And so do you! Get off your fuckin high horse and stop preaching. And for your informtion not all of us are "little hot topic children" or "emos" as most want to call it.
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Steve:
I am not condoning what the 'fanatics' are saying either. I'm just telling you that you should not stoop so low. Ignore me if you want to but it is just advice. Mature people would be able to accept that and not argue back in such a vulgar manner.
What do you mean "who the hell are you anyway"? I am simply a fan of A7X and stumbled across this review. What else do you want to know about me? Seriously, what is the relevance of this question?
Just so you know, two wrongs do not make a right. That's a life lesson and remember it. It will save you from much grief.
Furthermore, they are not "[my] fanatic fan base" and I am not a part of them. Don't judge – it's stupid and ignorant.
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
just coz a7x have the best fans in the world…you are all jelous youll never be in the biggest and best family in rock
…God, im almost embarrassed that you bought the album
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
No, A7X does NOT have the best fans in the world. They have very supportive fans, but some fans act like rabid animals that attack people when they disagree with others views and opinions……
*AHEM……*
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Hid The Philosopher replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 11:31 am
I have been reading through all these responses and it is interesting to see how people react towards one another. Human beings are Social Animals. That said, this explains the different reactions to this review, which by no means condones any angry or disrespectful behavior exhibited here from either side. I have never been a major fan, but do appreciate and enjoy the album. My philosophical view of this dilemma is that our society has bred these behaviors. We are now a society that promotes individuality, but, yet most still hold this expectation that everyone should see the world as they see it. The latter is a hold over of the opposing "community-based" societies of the ancient world. The two conflicting views cause a lot of social bickering, and doesn't promote peaceful relations. We should all look at our fellow human being as a comrade, not an opposing force to be reckoned with while maintaining our individual differences.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Go listen to Pinkly Smooth and youll get an idea of what the Rev sounded like
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I am a huge Avenged Sevenfold fan and totally disagree with each and every point in this review. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan, I actually really think this album is incredible and the band should be immensely proud of it.
I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the album and not everyone has to love it, but some of the things said in the review and others said in their comments are just plain harsh and offensive to both the band and to the band's fans. To criticize and describe The Rev's vocals and the rest of the band like that is disrespectful.
"The song “Fiction” is supposed the most personal song for the band but plays as the album’s worst. Aside from the the odd piano loop. The vocals are heavily doctored. There are moments in “Fiction” M. Shadows slurs the lyrics. At one point, the slur is so nasal and so over-the-top, it would be funny if it wasn’t so terribly pathetic.This song is the album’s full on train wreck. Hardly the fitting tribute the band wanted for The Rev."
You may not like the music in Fiction, but if you were to actually listen to the lyrics properly -which I'm guessing you haven't done to any of the songs on the record- you will find that the song IS the most personal song from the album.
So I suggest you go listen to the album and pay more attention to the lyrics and see the meaning behind them in each song.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Wow…now that I am reading all of this..GET THE FUCK OVER IT PEOPLE!!! THIS IS JUST ONE STUPID REVIEW THAT NOBODY SHOULD GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT BESIDES THE HATERS. But I am finding it sad that the haters must defend themselves. If they were smart, they wouldn't say anything at all and just let it go..
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
High five, Alyssa. People can and should vent but there are appropriate ways of doing so.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
To be honest, I think everyone on here are starting to become annoying. The haters, the fans, and the reviewer for his lack of knowledge.
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July 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
There's reviewing an album then theres someone with something to prove
you my friend and your set of little followers praising this review need to take a serious look in the mirror, this album isnt as much a "train wreck" as you harshly described, it's a good fucking album, I can't understand how such a narrow minded idiot could have been picked as a reviewer. If your going to be critical, be critical but in a constructive way. Sometimes on there you are just downright offensive.
Seriously if you want to make a name for yourself by hacking down a band, don't try it on someone who's trying to bounce back from a difficult fucking situation. Grow a set my friend.
You speak volumes for this website and your an insult to the title "reviewer"
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
You are correct. I do insult the title of "reviewer". The title, Reviewer, has a long distinguished history in western culture. First beginning with the monarchy in early France and England, Reviewers have long since lived among the most wealthy and important people in history. Reviewers have long been loved and worshiped by the millions of people out there who only wish they could listen to an album and write up something about it.
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
I almost totally agree with this review. I checked out most of the songs on this album after reading the review here, and I have to say that even though I have never been a fan of this band, this album lurks in the abysmal dungeons somewhere beneath Avenged Sevenfold's already low standards for their own music. The state of the music business in 2010 has paved the road for some of the worst new bands to release some of the worst new music to an unsuspecting, and more importantly uneducated, popular culture. And I am definitely lumping Avenged Sevenfold into that steaming pile. The only thing about this review that I don't agree with is that I think Avenged Sevenfold have not actually managed to "throw copper" as you so generously put it. City of Evil was a good record… for them. And it was definitely not a "game-changer for heavy music". Sometimes rock/metal reviewers can get a little over-dramatic with their flowery praise for bands that may/may not deserve it, but I can be gracious and forgive Keith Anderson for that. The thing that I cannot forgive is this album. I'm already upset about the amount of press this album will undoubtedly be getting, but that's what the music biz is all about, I guess.
And… I'm glad that Mike Portnoy likes to help out friends in need, but I wish he had decided to do just about anything rather than play the drums on this album. Too late now.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Here is where I disagree with you. City of Evil is an important album. It's influential and you can dance to it. It may not be as great as Throwing Copper in the big scheme of things but it's still in my top 100. If I can ever finish my list, work permitting, I'll figure out how close they are together.
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Steven replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Whatever happened to the notion of music acting as a medium for conveying emotion? Oh, that's right, all people care about anymore is their ability to dance to an album. This is exactly why we all have to listen to Britney Spears and Lady Gaga.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
If you like music that acts as a medium for emotion, there are some upcoming reviews you are going to want to catch, Steven. Carry on.
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Steven replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:10 pm
By the way, that Steven is not me. Oh God.
Anyway, WTF was a lot more emotive than Nightmare. CoE was really emotive too.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
This is one of those opinion things, isn't it? We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. City of Evil wouldn't be able to buy its way onto my top 100, but that's just my opinion rearing it's ugly head, too. Although, I really hope that Throwing Copper and City of Evil don't end up anywhere near each other on your list. Throwing Copper actually is a truly great album. It deserves a spot on anyone's list. Anyway, I appreciate your review and respect your opinion. Keep up the good writing!
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I must disagree with you. A7X does have two great or "decent" albums out there, WtF and CoE being those two, butnot in your mind I guess. The other two are nice, and they aren't bad, but they just aren't up to par with the other two. And I am purposely excluding STST. It is sad that A7X are one of the most hated and shitted upon bands in the world. Not that they give two shits, but they do have talent. They just need to use it correctly, like they have done with their older albums. Unfortunately they have not done so with the latest albums (S/T, Nightmare). As far as Nightmare get publicity, honestly, in all respect, get over it. Ignore it if you must. In the upcoming months, the hype will die, just like it does with every other album. The only reason why the hype would come back is if A7X announced if they quit or move on. And I think a lot of you on here would like to see them quit. Which is fine, because it is your own opinions. If you want the band do just fade into dust because you hate them so much, that is fine too. Whatever. I don't want to see them quit, but then again a lot of you would be like "UGH I don't want this band to keep making shitty gay ass music!!". Again, its your opinions, you can have them and I will have mine.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Thank you for spitting back some of what I already said in your own words. I'm not hoping, by my words, that I will somehow destroy Avenged Sevenfold or their career, but I can't say that I wouldn't get a smirk on my face if there was one less crappy album like 'Nightmare' out there. And just because the band doesn't care about what I think does not magically make the music on 'Nightmare' any better. For me, it's all about the music, the actual sounds that come out of the speakers. And the sounds are not good…. but, hey, here's the part where I take the sting off of everything. That's just my opinion. I just won't buy the album or become a fan of the band. Sound fair?
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:58 am
He wanted to kill himself. It is pretty obvious by now. If you were to take the time to look at "Fiction" and the lyrics (but since you hate the song and think it is a comedy joke and utter disgrace, you probably won't), it is basically a suicide note. It's not that hard to figure out. It wasn't an "accident" like everyone is labeling it. Yes, it was a very stupid choice, but if he wanted to kill himself, who was anyone to stop him? The band sure as hell wouldn't. So he really just committed suicide. And I know I will get a lot of shit for saying that, but it's the truth. Meeting Jimmy numerous times, I know he is not a stupid man. He would know better.
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Your welcome, I am proud to be stating what you just said in my own words. Good for you that you don't like them. I think we have this discussion settled now…
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:45 am
I think we do
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
As for everyone claiming that The Rev sang on "Fiction", where's your proof? You all seem to love facts, and the only way you would know is if a firsthand source (such as the band itself or the label itself) said so. Not being sarcastic or anything, but just merely wondering where that information was made known.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Yes, the Rev sang on Fiction, if you would take the time to read and listen to some current A7X interviews, you will see that the Rev DID sing on Fiction. He was the one that wrote it, and did co-lead vocals on it. We are not lying when we say this.
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snuffy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Proof? Really? How about we recognize his voice.
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a7xkyle replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Where's our proof? We've been listening to and following the band their whole careers, we know what the Rev sounds like, we've read ever thing the band has given to us, which is amazing, they care more about their fans than any other band Ive ever listened too, and countless times theyve said it was the Revs vocals from demo on the record, go read deathbatnews.com and learn something. Im not gonna rip someone for their opinion on a review, but when youre disrespecting a drumming legend and his memory with no facts of youre own, people are gonna be upset.
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Francis replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Uhh…dude, different people's voices sound different.
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I replied above, but in case you don't see it, here is our proof:
http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/you-cant-win-this-fight/
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
To everyone except Aanchel, in order from top to bottom, respectively:
1. Still no link!
2. I can make my voice sound like other people, too.
3. No liiiiiiiink!
4. Read number 2.
@Aanchel: Thank you again for being the only person to back up what they say! Kudos!
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Aanchel replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
No problem
Glad I could help.
@Everyone else who is STILL going on about Jimmy singing in 'Fiction': I know that we're supposedly on the same 'side' since I did point out how Jimmy sang in 'Fiction' too, but do you really need to be so rude? Anthony simply asked for proof and people did not have it. Furthermore, for people who do not listen to A7X 24/7, I'm sure it's difficult to distinguish the difference easily. I can but others may not be able to.
Sometimes you all make me embarrassed to be an A7X fan…
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Don Juan replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I don't know, you dumb fuck, how about that Jimmy's voice is unmistakeably distinguishable from Shadows'? Or maybe they auto-tuned shadows to sound like The Rev! Lol you're a shithead, get a haircut.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
*sigh* See above. Thanks for playing.
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
I still find it amazing that people get so overly outraged over a review. If everyone liked the same things in life, this would be one dull ass world.
For all the people who are taking cheap shots and talking smack, your ignorance is really showing through. Take a minute, breath and realize that it will be ok. Life will go on and you can still enjoy this band as much as you want.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I don't think it would be as fun if some people didn't get at least a little overly outraged. Either way, I love your site and keep the reviews coming. I've learned of some great new bands by frequenting this site. I don't always agree with every little word on every review, but that just comes with the territory. Keep up the good work!
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Thanks Nitrohippie,
Man, its all in good fun. We don't mind getting our hands dirty for the love of music.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
The dirtier, the better
I appreciate the way you guys take the time to respond to all this stuff. It's definitely no fun discussing/debating music if you're doing it in a vacuum. That sucks, literally. Anyway, keep the new music coming!
Stay metal, Lee
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Hello and thank you for coming to our site. While you're here notice the inflammatory comment above and below. I cannot address them all, but I will address a few points:
1. Yes, I am fat. Quite fat. I ate babies for breakfast.
2. It's not my mother's basement anymore since I killed and ate her yesterday as well.
3. I'm not a professional journalist because The NewReview doesn't even know I'm posting on their webiste so they don't pay me.
4. Yes, I am a filthy fuck. There are many, many dirty girls out there who know what I'm saying. Wink, wink.
5. I got it that The Rev was in "Fiction". I small correction may appear above but it doesn't change the fact that "Fiction" and I did not connect, just like I don't connect to the drunken buffoonery of Jim Morrison or Elvis. That would be Fat Elvis, just like fat me.
6. I only write based on what I hear and what the record company releases. The press release from this album reads like a Sunday School picnic announcement. Honestly, only the band knows what went on in the studio. The rest we learn from interview and press releases. Just go with me here, PR people build and create narratives all of the time and coach their clients on what to say. Hopefully you can all spend some time working in marketing and become as cynical and pathetic as me that you don't believe everything you read that is produced in the media. Seriously, do you think with the band touring and the new record they are going to say anything negative about the recording? Really? Really?
Thank you all for taking the time to stop by and creating such compelling prose.
I love you too.
Keith
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jake replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
wow you described yourself spot on
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I hope Keith knows himself better than anyone else.
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you know replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
You can be professional without being paid and I'm sure you know what I mean. Well at lease I hope you do because I honestly don't fell like explaining, and number 4 is just too much information that you could have skipped lol
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Keet replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Keith, the problem is, after reading less than 20 posts in this forum, I can see that you only listen to yourself and only yourself.
Why are you reviewing this album when you've made it clear you know next to nothing about the album or the band? Most bizarre. I would at least do the 10 minute read of any album by any band I'd review.
I mean, seriously?
"Favorite Bands: Faith No More, Iced Earth, Gojira, Melechesh, Salem, Clutch, Slayer (duh), Hatebreed, Sepultura, & Kansas (yeah, that band)"
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Since I am the only company I keep, I don't have a choice.
I listen to a wide variety of music from different times and genres. Since I have nobody else to talk to, it's the only way to cope.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
I am rolling over here.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
A lot of the albums I review are for bands I've never heard of. That's the beauty of it though. I go into the reviews with no bias or anything to cloud my judgement of the album or the band. In the process I also learn something completely new and this makes the overall experience far more enriching (hopefully for the reader as well as the writer, seeing as we write for YOU).
Keith has shown time and time again that he knows his stuff. I don't understand your comment, Keet. Since Keith was given the album to review, he's the one writing it. It's not like all of us TNR writers have some sort of assistant at our disposal; whispering tidbits of information and facts into our ears. We do as much research as we can in a short amount of time. Our reviews are based on the opinions and information the writer formulates from their experience with the album. If each of us was forced to write from the point of view of someone else, we would get nowhere (i.e. writing to please the masses as opposed to writing from the heart). If we were writing only to please fans of A7X, there would be no real benefit.
There is never a balance and there never will be. Fans of A7X will dislike the negative review and if we were to write the review in a positive light based on what the fans think, non-fans would think we were just trying to appeal to a crowd in order to gain positive praise. We're not about that. We're about brutal honesty and telling it like it is, regardless of what the general populace thinks. That's how The NewReview has been and always will be.
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Nitrohippie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
This is the way music should be reviewed… with brutal honesty. No musician, or fan for that matter, deserves to be patronized and have their hand held. I only wish that all music reviewers held this opinion. It's no help to anyone to release a sugar-coated review of an album that has obvious, glaring flaws. I'm in a band, and I appreciate the bad reviews a lot more than the good ones because it helps us grow as a band to take the criticism and incorporate it into what we do next. That makes us a better band. Criticism is great when it's constructive, and a bad review can help a band immensely if they choose to listen to it. Although you can't accept every criticism as something you need to fix, you should at least listen to it all before you throw it away.
I do agree with you, though. Sometimes it is better to not know anything about a band before you write a review. It makes it more about the music than anything else. That's the most important part to me anyway.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Most bands don't care if their albums are hated or not. Most of the time they do what they want to do, whether people like it or not. You can't please everybody, and bands like A7X certainly aren't out to please the critics.
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Francis replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Regarding #5, I think that just may be because you don't really know him personally? For the members of the band, who've known him all his life, it was something really emotional to them, hence they kept it in the song.
To be honest, it's not my favorite song by them either, but it's kind of depressing to listen to, knowing it's the last bit of singing he recorded.
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Tim replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Keith, You're one sexy bitch.
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Oh No Hot Topics, I buy vinyls there time to time actually and exclusives if they are worth it.
Waking The Fallen well its the only record I have from them and its not bad, when Hopeless released the flash ecard at the time (if some of you were around to know about ecards) well thought it was awesome and before I could afford an Ipod it was the only record that was distributed enough that I could just pick up the record.
Honestly couldn't get into the direction the band was aiming for there after, still think they could have been a better metal band then what they turned out to be.
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I think everyone on the TNR staff saw all the hate coming. I know I did. Quick! Keith, rewrite your review and give the album a 10 because every other site out there gave it high regards! THE TECTONIC PLATES ARE SHIFTING!
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Francis replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Hey now, don't let all the pissed off immature kids represent all the A7X fans.
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CallMeQuixotic replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
That made me LoL and yet cry at the same time at how true that demand is (ie. SAY ITS AWESOME BECAUSE WE THINK YOU SHOULD!!!)
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Haha ok I'm back, just a quick thing to say.
This must be the most pathetic publicity stunt I have seen so far.
This site should of at least had half a brain to hide this page:
http://thenewreview.net/staff
So here's how it is.
In the comments section here we have SIX of their STAFF team commenting, now, that's strange.
Lee Rochester
Jen Rochester
Daryn St. Pierre
Josh Velliquette
Keith Anderson
and Anthony Gannaio
What's more strange?
Every single one of them posted negative comments.
Every single one of them have not the faintest clue about the band or the album. Two of them even said that the Rev had no vocals on fiction! A fact that was shared at least 2 weeks ago.
This is a sad publicity stunt, a dead site trying as desperately as they can to get as many page views as possible.
Truly one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen by any music related website.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
We don't need to contort opinions just to get page views and we are unapologetically and often times brutally honest. Obviously this hurts peoples feelings but we understand that. We already get a ton of traffic in general and we're hugely appreciative of ALL of it. Also, you're making assumptions and everyone knows how dependable those are. We welcome comments regardless of whether they're negative or not. My post wasn't negative. I like A7X. I prefer their City of Evil style over this and their music before City of Evil. That's my opinion though. You and everyone else can try and discredit it, that's perfectly acceptable.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Really? This is news to me. A sad publicity stunt for who…you? The fact that we respond to fans (on both good and bad reviews) show that we care. Most sites couldn't care less about what you think about their review. We all put a lot of time and effort into TNR and it really shows. If you work hard on something and someone tells you it sucks, shouldn't you have the right to defend your work? Or should we all stand by and allow you to tear us apart only giving your slanted point of view?
Its funny that you say we are a "dead website." Too funny! We are actually one of THE fastest growing sites in the industry. When you have big bands sending you albums BEFORE they even send them to the label (yes majors), you are obviously doing something right.
Good try, but better luck next time. Now go troll under your bridge…
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Well shoot, if you don't want any staff interaction that could be arranged I suppose. Didn't know that staff members weren't allowed to comment on other staffer's reviews. We posted a review, the Avenged Sevenfold fans can flocking in, our bad or yours? We post reviews daily and are proud to help shine a light on artists working hard to push their music. You know what we get from Avenged Sevenfold for this review? Absolutely nothing except waves of bitching fans. We have nothing to hide here and we are all passionate towards what we do, Staff or not.
Thanks for the comment.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
You know what's even worse? I didn't know the album was going to be released until we had our super-secret publicity stunt planning meeting. I said, "Avenged Who?"
I'm also pissed the other staffers went ahead and commented here after we agreed we wouldn't for the very reason that somebody smarter than us would figure it out as you have. Next time I see the other staff in our corporate break room, I'm going to chew their asses out.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Have mercy on my soul.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
As long as I can still drive the yacht.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
We have a yacht? You guys have been holding out on me!
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Yes, its was well document on this post http://thenewreview.net/blog/tips-for-new-bands-or-how-to-impress-us which was written by Keith who wrote this review actually when asked I was told it was only a toy yacht via twitter which can't be true now if the Yacht has an assigned captain… Captain Anthony…
I am not a staffer at least yet but the crew at the new review are awesome!
@envyeconomy
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
*documented
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Thanks Mike. We appreciate it. Keep rocking!
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Melissa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
I must admit, you guys are starting to grow on me despite this review( and not because it was a low rating blah blah blah..i dont give a shit about ratings) but enough about that. i will continue to come back and read reviews for some bands i like on this site. Now if you started reviewing lil wayne, i'd probably live on this site.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Thanks Melissa. Lil' Wayne would be a stretch to say the least. Either way, we appreciate your kind words and hope that you'll continue to visit the site. I can assure you most reviews are much more low-key affairs than this one. We bond, believe me – we do.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Melissa,
Thanks for sticking around. No Lil' Wayne around here.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Psh, I'm still waiting on him to release a rap-metal CD. It's gonna happen, you know. He said he's heavy metal. >_>
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am
the sad thing is, he did release a punk rock cd. It was still rap besides a few songs that obviously didnt do so hot on the charts. But i love him anyway. You have to admit you guys writting a lil' wayne review would be epically hilarious. I'd pay to read it.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
You talking about "Rebirth", right? Yeah I bought it first day it came out. Hahaha. If he releases something hard rockish, nothing will stop me from reviewing it. Lol.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
That'd be the one. But I'm hoping he doesn't revisit his idea of rock music again. It was slightly painful to listen too. haha
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
i sadly agree with this review now i have been a sevenfold fan since sound the seventh trumpet so understand i love this guys to death but they pridy much decived us by releasing only the good songs befor the album can out and showed us the indecent songs of this album and plz if you are a hating kind of person dont be leting down people by saying shit about this album still remember that this a tribute album its the hardest album the band had to recored not by playing abilaty but by emotional destrese from the pacing of jimmy the leading up to this album was massive and i know i went threw alot promoting it and defending the guys from ranting haters so i am still going to enjoy this album and apreciat it as a well done album
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July 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Lol no one gives a shit about this worthless site anyways, there are plenty of much more famous sites that gave this album great reviews. Plus, the album beating Eminem and reaching #1 on itunes speaks for itself.
Keep listening to your unknown fatasses with long hair and continue to envy Avenged Sevenfold and their mainstream success. This site is obviously full of terrible taste.
later faggots
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Once again, absolutely thought provoking…
Its like the H.I.M review all over again. LOL! Well, at least these fans aren't threatening to burn a "Heartagram" in our front yard…..
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Monica replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
wow, dude, chill your grill. You're embarressing us fans that are trying to stay calm, cool, and collected. Take a breather and click the X at the top of the screen.
and Lee, if you'd really like some lawn decoration, we could always give you a nice deathbat but that's only if you'd really like one. We dont like to play with fire.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Oh dear lord no, Ill have bat crap all over my front yard. That's worse that the damned fire. Someone get me a burning "Heartagram" stat!
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
I would say this isn't a popularity contest just honest reviews.
Depends on the age group because a couple years ago there was no itunes and Avenged Sevenfold sounded better and its a fact! . Its not like this is Avenged Sevenfold's first mainstream record I hope you don't think that… I remember a time they were #1 on TRL for real for Bat County! They probably beat Eminem 3 times by now so whats the dif? But posts like you posted doesn't give you any cred and sure AX7 would be disappointed…
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I just think it is sad the nobody can act professional on this matter including the staff members. It is very clear in this review that you could have put together your words better than you did, rather then "I hate this album it sucks" type of shit. I also think everybody needs to chill down and quit getting their panties in a wad. This album in its first day has already saw #1 on Itunes and alot more positive reviews than bad. I would have just like to saw more professionalism in this review.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
We'll try and do better next time, Matthew. No one here is perfect, including the staff. We'll work on it, promise. Thanks for your input and keep rocking!
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
I personally think "Nightmare" is the worst song on the album. It's still a great song, though.
"Fiction", "God Hates Us", "Victim", "So Far Away", and "Save Me" are the master tracks on this album, in my opinion. Basically the whole latter half of the album is where the eargasms lay.
P.S. I will never forgive you for thinking "Fiction" was only sung by M. Shadows, and then dissing The Rev's singing (who you thought was M. Shadows =.=).
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
To the writer…I really do not think your article is fair at all…This band did something alot of other bands would never do…lose a brother and carry on and make an album for him, in his honor. How can you say this is a nightmare?…Every song (except Nightmare) has meaningful lyrics that any human being can relate to. This is a dark album about loss and dealing with it. Musically, these songs are great. They are as technical as ever, but yet still have the hooks. Its almost a mixture of the past two efforts. Mike Elizondo was a good choice…who would you rather have?…Andy Sneap or some metal producer that would spit out the same trash you hear on liquid metal? Please. And for the record…before you bash something, do your research…The vocals you are referring to in Fiction belong to the Rev…they used the demos of this song because they wanted his voice on the record. The song is BRILLIANT…listen to the lyrics…the piano is amazing. For everyone who posts or writes an article regarding this album and this band…you dont have to love it…but show respect…These young men have showed so much class throughout this process and have more guts then most. In a day and age where musiciansdont show this type of character A7X should be commended. If you dont have anything good to say, keep your mouth shut.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
I don't think he is knocking their steadfastness at all. Anyone could respect what Avenged Sevenfold did in continuing to play music. They have shown quite a bit of courage. With that being said, it all comes down to opinion and Keith simply gave his. Thanks for the comment!
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matt replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Alice In Chains did it and wrote a album 100 times better than this one. Would this review be fair if it were good? I can tell by your writing that lot of you are children. Lame.
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Dear…lots of jerks complaining cuz some1 said bad things 'bout the band they like…these childs are boring.
Btw this CD is really boring,not like city of evil and "avenged sevenfold",Great Job The new review.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Thanks Marcos, appreciate the kind words.
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Wow… this has gotten completely out of control. I wasn't going to comment, because I can see both sides of it. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Keith is entitled to his opinion, he just happens to share it in a very public place. Not everybody is going to agree, that's a given. Not everybody is going to love the album as much as most of the fans do. Bad reviews are to be expected.
I admit, when I first read the review I got a little bit pissed off, specifically when I read the bit about "Fiction", just because of what the song means to a lot of us. What people need to understand, though, is that to people who aren't huge fans and aren't a part of the A7X family, it's just a song, and when you're reviewing an album, you give you thoughts on the song. It's very different to what we've come to expect from Avenged Sevenfold and, if the emotion and feelings weren't there behind it, it would be pretty awkward. Given the circumstances, it works to most of us, because it's kind of like Jimmy's last words to us. To people who aren't in the family, though, it doesn't hold the same meaning and they listen to it with a different frame of mind. Obviously, because of what it means to us and because of what The Rev meant to all of us, we get touchy when anybody says something bad about it, because it's like taking a stab at Jimmy and disrespecting him, which I doubt was the intention.
I agree that a little bit of research would have helped, especially when it came to Fiction. I don't think that Keith intentionally put down The Rev's vocals. It was a mistake. They're not the cleanest vocals ever because they were recorded for a demo, so they don't sound as brilliant as he always did… but they're raw and meaningful, and I disagree with what was said about leaving Jimmy off and having Shadows redo it. It wouldn't be the same. It's Jimmy's message to the band, to the fans, and it needs to be delivered by him.
Now that's out of the way, I think it's totally uncalled for for all of the fans on here to be slating Keith and slamming the site. That's going just a little over the top. Yes, the fanbase is well known for jumping to the defence of the boys and I know we're all proud of that, but sometimes it goes way further than it has to. Say your piece and move on, there's no need for back and forth arguing that just gets blown out of proportion. It's that kinda stuff that gives the fanbase a bad rep in some circles and gives the rest of us a bad name.
We're not all whiny little girls who can't take a little bad publicity. Avenged Sevenfold have had their fair share of criticism, and that's probably never going to go away. Shadows said it best in an interview not long ago… a lot of the haters hate them because they hate the fans. When things like this happen, it's easy to see why.
Constantly posting, arguing and insulting Keith and this site isn't going to achieve anything. So he doesn't like the album much, big deal. Do you like it? Yes? Good. Listen to it. Enjoy it. That's all that matters.
We all love the boys. We love Jimmy. We love Nightmare. There are plenty of good reviews that show that other people do too. We're proud of being a loyal, dedicated, close fan base. Let's not ruin it by letting something get so blown up that it becomes embarrassing.
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
THANK YOU!!!
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Ding, ding, ding. Stick around here, Leese. Carry on.
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Chris replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:28 am
Well said!
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Jamie replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:11 am
Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth, Leese. You hit the nail on the head with your comment.
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
i think the problem most of us fans have with this review is that it is disrespectful. i understand if you dont like the album. not everyone is going to like it. but to talk about the rev like he was a drunk is unnecessary and unprofessional. what does that have to do with how good or bad the album is? and where is the proof? i feel like when someone says something like that they just want attention and i guess it worked.
as far as the wrong facts go, i understand that the record company or whoever sent you a press release. but you should still verify your facts. i find it hard to believe that they would send wrong information to you. i read alot of articles about this album and none of them had wrong information. and they would have got the same information as you.
overall, this review holds no weight because of the unprofessional attitude of the writer and the other staff memebers of this site.
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
I don't think anything disrespectful was written then the possibility the record was rushed or feels rushed.
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
I guess this means the majority of Avenged Sevenfold fans and their comments and views hold no weight either due to their immaturity and disrespectful comments?
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ryan replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
the people that are saying immature things and whatnot dont represent the whole fan base. they are just venting because they are upset with the review, which can be expected when the review is negative towards their favorite band.
but i was not talking about the fans. i was talking about this review. you cant compare the two because this is supposed to be a professional website. people posting comments dont have to be professional. you do.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Someone else might not see the review as being disrespectful though. Everything revolves around opinion. It's a prime example of what I said earlier about there never being a balance. There's always going to be someone who gets upset.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
The insults always turn me off to reading comments. I wish people could be more civilized in their responses.
Reviewing albums is kind of like volunteering to be stoned by all of the locals of your town. You put yourself and your opinion out there and brace for the best and the worst. Some people cast more stones than others and I think all of us have gotten it at least once.
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Mike replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I understand what you are saying Ryan but commentators need to be professional and respectful too. On some other sites there are report abuse and banning systems, I find The New Review earning high points in professionalism to allow you to comment in the way you want but don't go overboard!
Sometimes I don't agree with The New Review rating or review and say hey your wrong this is why sounds cooler otherwise commenting with anger make you sound like a _____________(fill in the blank with your favorite word)
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Julie replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
From what I understand and know, 90% of the A7X fanbase is immature and retarded. Sometimes I'm ashamed to know that I'm looped in with those people, but the friends I have met through this band have been the best people I've ever met. I did find this review slightly offensive, but I'm mature enough to step back and understand that not everyone loves the band as I do, and not everyone understands what they went through, or even what "Fiction" truly means for the fans. The Rev was one of my heroes and it's hard for me to listen to the album, but for someone who doesn't know the band I can see how they wouldn't like the music.
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
well, i'm a fan and i like all their albums. i especially love nightmare. you guys are free to think otherwise but the negativity wasn't necessary. oh well! rock on a7x! your loss, haters
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Really? So let me get this straight…all of you people listed above run this amazing, high traffic, vitally important music site, and yet you have the time of day to argue with all these people over one review? Let me just say, I seriously doubt your snippity and sarcastic remarks are going to change anyone's mind or make them like you more, and the only reason I can think of for you guys to STILL be on here arguing with dedicated fans is that you just enjoy the attention, because you're obviously not getting it anywhere else. All we ask is that you do a bit more research before releasing a review, and accept that the majority of people on here will not like it. Personally, if I didn't know the background of Jimmy's vocals on Fiction, I probably wouldn't enjoy it either, but the fact is that those are the last words we'll ever hear from him, and that means alot. We don't have to agree with you, and so we don't. End of story. Your opinion was written above, we get it, but it's our turn now buddy, so just get over it.
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Jarrod replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Amazing…you found this site didn't you? Just like I did and everyone else.
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Sarah replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Yep, it was posted on deathbatnews.com, where they post everything thats out there related to the band. It's because of them this site gotten so many hits and comments too. They should thank them.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
The New Review doesn't need Avenged Sevenfold fans to thrive, we already are, regardless of if you guys want to jump on or not. We are appreciative of you guys checking out the site and hopefully you like what you find aside from Keith's views concerning Nightmare.
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Jarrod replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
deathbatnews.com? Never heard of it. Just some no name fan site.
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Sarah replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Yes, and that is why the moderator of that no-name website was flown to california where the band personally played the new album for her a week in advance so she could review it on her website:
http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/deathbat-news-review-of-avenged-sevenfolds-nightmare/
thank you and goodnight.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
That's pretty awesome.
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Jarrod replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
It's a FAN SITE for the band. They knew they'd get a great review there. Still, never heard of it and don't care.
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Sarah replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
uh, then why do you keep replying?? Anywho, jeez some of you staff people are making it hard for me to stay mad at you!! lol. K fine, I went on a bit of a bitch rant, its out of my system now, I'm glad some of you guys aren't taking it personally at least. I respect your opinions, even though I still don't know why you guys keep arguing with us…but anyway I'm still on here so I can't really talk too much. Just understand how invested some of us are in this band, and under the hateful remarks and anger are geniune people who care a lot about this band and want them to succeed. Despite it all I gotta give you credit for not wimping out like Rock Sound did at least.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
We argue with you guys because we care. If we didn't reply you would be yelling at a brick wall of indifference. Find a different staff willing to do so. In the end, it all boils down to sacrificing for the music. You commented for the music, we write reviews for the music. We're all on even ground. No need for sass.
Thanks for the comment. We hope you enjoy the site.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Agreed Josh. We respond because music is more than a hobby, its a passion and a way of life. We are a feisty group aren't we? LOL!
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July 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
I'm as big a fan of A7X as any, but come on guys/gals. Give this guy a brake. Who cares if he has a different opinion that you. I've said it several times on DBN, but some/most of you A7X fans are just so ridiculous and arrogant. Yes, we think they are awesome, but that doesn't mean everyone has to like them. Personally, I think he just reviewed this album as any non fan would. He just picked it up, having no real idea of what the backstory of the album was. That doesn't make his opinion wrong. I just view his review as though someone off the street not knowing much about the band, picked it up and heard it once, maybe twice. Personally, I wouldn't consider myself a "fan" if I only liked 1 CD of theirs. I guess that's why I only say I'm a fan of only a handful of bands, because rarely do I like everything a band does.
Either way, lighten up guys. Who cares if someone disagrees with your opinion. This has just become a youtube video comment section, everyone arguing the exact same points over and over and over again. Like did we really need the fact that "it was a demo recording" mentioned about 12 times in 14 comments. no. no we didn't. If you like the album, you like it. If not, oh well.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Nice perspective, Nick. Thanks for visiting the site.
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Jesus Christ some of you people reviewing this album are idiots. I will say this, the Rev DOES sing in "Fiction". The fact that some of you can't tell is hilarious. Do some research, check out his old band "Pinkly Smooth" and you'll realize that it is indeed him on that track and he has a "unique" way of singing.
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Jesus Christ some of you people reviewing this album are idiots. I will say this, the Rev DOES sing in "Fiction". The fact that some of you can't tell is hilarious. Do some research, check out his old band "Pinkly Smooth" and you'll realize that it is indeed him on that track and he has a "unique" way of singing.
Thank God I don't take much into consideration what someone writes on a website I've never even heard of. The only reason I'm even commenting is to have made that one point.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Awesome! Well have a nice night.
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I cant even read half the comments you people are saying. Fiction is the best song on the album in my opinion. I dont care at all how the Rev sounded in this track. It was bits and pieces pulled from the demo, and hounestly he cant sing as low as he was trying too in this song. Listen too him in A little piece of heaven, critical acclaim or Crossroads for example. Regardless of how he sounds, its the most meaningfull, and beautiful song he ever wrote, and pretty much portrays his death. Show the man some respect, instead of hating on how he "sounds".
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I personally disagree with the reviewer's opinion, but as it was mentioned before, it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. I have been a fan of Avenged Sevenfold since I discovered City of Evil. The band quickly grew on me and I have since purchased their entire library.
Many times bands stick with the sound that made them "big", but A7X has not. I am appreciative of their constantly evolving sound. This is why I love their latest album. The album isn't stuck in a single stagnant sound. "Nightmare" for me never stops changing and never gets boring. It feels like I have my iPod on shuffle and I have not once felt like skipping to the next song because the current one isn't pleasant.
"Fiction" for me is one of the best tracks on the album. This song is an absolute gem for me because I appreciate the courage it took to rip Jimmy's vocals from the only existing demo and finish it without him. My younger brother, who is only 13, was on the verge of tears when I played him this track. He never had the chance to see The Rev live and this song was put on the CD for fans like him. I understand that someone outside of the Avenged fanbase could have made a mistake in recognizing The Rev's voice, and I am not as heated over this as some of the other fans on here. I do think, however, that you should go back and fix this portion of the review. I am not saying that you should praise it, but that you should edit it and acknowledge that the vocals on this track were never perfected because Jimmy never had a chance to record them a second time.
In my opinion, this album is packed with a plethora of great songs. I will definitely be listening to this one for years.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Well written. Thanks for your input! Keep rocking.
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Francisco replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Thank you, Josh. After reading through the comments, you've come off as the most professional out of all the workers on this site, and I applaud you for that.
I stilll feel that your friend, Keith, could've phrased his update better out of respect for Jimmy Sullivan's family. He's free to feel however he wants about The Rev, the record, and us fans, but Jimmy was a human being and deserves some respect.
I'll give your site props for sticking to your guns. It's one of the most important parts of being a reviewer and you guys definitely have that down. Your site is still a baby in terms of years and I don't know how long you guys have been reviewing individually, but you still have a lot ahead of you in terms of professionalism. As they say, there's always room to grow and I wish you guys nothing but the best.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Francisco, your observations have been noted and we'll continue to improve in the future. We're young and we'll take all the feedback we can receive. No one's perfect and none of us here claim to be. We are all bonded here by the threads of music and we hope to share that through our reviews.
We hope you can continue this ride with us. Thanks again for your input.
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
I thought you missed the point of the record, and musicians have a hard time when they want to put a feeling, and avenged sevenfold did… as for "victim " "buried alive", common, we all have influencial things on our lives, you missed the whole album because you wanted to have a heavy metal album, but that's not the point my friend, for me, its the best album along city of evil…its a cool album, both muscial and lyrics to, weakness on this album were danger line and tonight the world dies…
as for fiction, is a very personal song, and its not a heavy song like you want,if you knew the rev you should know that its his style, an artist doesn`t needs to do always heavy music… and if I can review your review, i would give you a 1.5/5, and its not about the score you have given…its because the way you analize the things and how you are partially inclined on some way.
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
First off, I still buy cd albums. The last recent albums would be *Year of the Black Rainbow* *Slash's Solo* *Distant Relatives* *Recovery* *Nightmare*. I include the titles only in order to gauge what type of Research you guys do. Second, I don't think a reviewer has to do any Research at all in reviewing a cd album. That is unless they are going to make a statement about how a particular group is no longer nearly as relevant to music as they once were. And I also heard faint ECHOES *Pink Floyd pun intended* on the Victim song but at least I didn't go and BLOG the wrong song in reference to it. And as far as to the changing music tempo and riffs suddenly. That's been their specialty since *Sounding the Seventh Trumpet*
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
I may be an avenged sevenfold fan but Sadly I will side with the staff on this one, not because of the review because IMO the review is based on little to no information making it obsolete (no offence Keith). I'm siding with the staff because
1: It's a review site, reviewers are allowed to review based on their opinion.
2: Almost all of their reviews I'm interested in I agree with, apart from this one of course
And
3: These reviewers have an extremely good taste in music.
The only thing that bugs me though, is that even though you guys were given some info by the pr people and the label and I fully understand what you guys are saying to the annoying fans, you still should have done a little bit of research into the background of the song "Fiction".
But other than that I agree with what you guys are saying, and keep up with this reviews site I love it
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Thanks for the kind words, Luke. Glad you are enjoying the site!
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July 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
This reviewer is a fucking douchebag! Obviously he doesnt understand the concept of half the shit on the abum. "Fiction" was a song that The Rev wrote before he died, and the lyrics were slightly altered for the finished project as a tribute to "The Rev". And the "nasally" voice is the Rev. And about the 2007 releas of the self-titled album, that was one of their greatest albums. Yeah City of Evil was legendary, but their not trying to rush into anything and duplicate their success, or "throw copper". I guess you don't agree with bands taking chances and risks with their music, because that was the point of that album. So im saying to the reviewer, learn to respect decisions that people and bands make. Also learn to respect other peoples sorrow. And if you dont like it, keep it to yourself you egotistical prick!
-Your Worst Fucing Nightmare
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Hey, I agree.
But the reviewer is also allowed to have an opinion. Damn right I disagree with everything he said. But make sure you spell fucking right next time, ok?
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July 27th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Of course every album will get at least one awful review, whether they deserve it or not.
I was waiting on someone to trash this album and finally I found them. I must say I'm sorry you spent so much time worrying about how hardcore you wanted the album to be instead of the lyrics. Songs aren't just about how loud they are, they are also about the lyrics and soul and effort put forth. Avenged Sevenfold had the best lyrics on their album. This review is a joke to be honest. It comes from someone obessed with metal who is obviously very biased. But it doesn't matter; you can still have your opinions. This album comes from 4 men whose BESTfriend, almost like their BROTHER, died not even a year ago. This is the pain they felt while going through the process of losing such a remarkable man in their life. Obviously there won't be loud, thunderous happy, giddy little songs on it like City of Evil or Waking the Fallen, or their album even before that. They've grown musically. This is about LOSS. About losing someone they loved with all their heart. I think each song regarding The Rev was a beautiful tribute to him and I'm sure if he could hear it he would have loved it dearly. I think The Rev's vocals sounded beautiful. Any person who is an actual fan knows that The Rev had a naturally slurred voice. Look him up on Youtube and listen to him talk. His voice is naturally slurred and a little..I don't know how to describe it but you know what I mean. They cleaned it out and put that in the song for the FANS because us FANS wanted to hear the last thing he recorded before he died, never mind the people who were just checking out the album because.. I would give it 5 out of 5 stars because I didn't listen to hear how crazy the guitars were, I listened to the lyrics and took the time to understand the meaning of each song. Each of you 'haters' should try it and your opinion might shift just a little regarding the album. But like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion and we should all respect that. Granted not everyone will think this is their best work, like not everyone will think this is their worst. But I personally enjoyed it and will listen to it all the time. and PS. The Rev's parent's said in a statement to the public a couple weeks after he died that he died from heart failure due to an enlarged heart NOT drugs. So please, before you trash a person's memory with false information, do some research. Thank you.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Brandy,
How about YOU do some research…
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/112469
http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/avenged_sevenfold_drummer_the_rev_died_of_an_accidental_overdose/
It's even on his Wikipedia page…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_rev
If you're such a big fan, how could you now know that? Or are you just in denial?
"Any person who is an actual fan knows that The Rev had a naturally slurred voice."
So everyone who reviews this album has to be a fan of this band? You are clearly out of touch.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Excuse me, I stand corrected.
I was clearly mistaken when I saw on several sites that he had passed away from an enlarged hard.
I will surely make sure I do a little more research next time.
Forgive me.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
*heart
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Katey replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
It's not trashing his memory if it's true, as sad as it is. As soon as I heard he was dead, and overdose was my first though. We all know his history in that respect, although I'll admit I suspected illegal rather than prescription drugs.
Did you ever think that that was his mum holding out hope that it was natural causes? We didn't actually find out the cause until June I believe, so she would have had no basis for her assertations that it was because of an enlarged heart.
And of course fans of the band would recognise his voice anywhere. That would explain why people who are not fans might think he sounded weird. He certainly had a different sounding voice that's not everyone's cup of tea.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Another nice, level-headed response. Smooth.
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Katey replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I do try.
Have you guys ever had a response quite like this before?
(also, I completely thought the review was out of 10 for some reason, the fact that it's out of 5 means it isn't that bad after all)
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Katey, refer to our review of the latest HIM album. Ryan got TONS of hate for that one.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Oh, that's where I messed up.
I had seen that his mother, father, and sister released statements that he died in his sleep due to his heart condition. I didn't realize the coroners had found out something official. Thank you for the information. Now I know.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
I remember hearing the news too and thinking, "Barely anyone in metal that young dies of "natural causes"". :/
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:28 am
natural causes means there was no foul play these days.
He did die do to a small drug and alcohol overdose but if you look at the drugs he had taken, you'd realize that they weren't illegal and shit. 2 were for anxeity that he clearly had and 2 were for pain. I dont know what those were for but because of the mixture of meds and alcohol PLUS his large heart sadly killed him.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
In medicine, death by natural causes is a loosely defined term used by coroners to describe death when the cause was disease instead of *violence or drug use*. It is also used when the cause is unknown. It may also refer to death by multiple organ dysfunction syndrome. (Taken from a post from MARC E KEEN MD, M.D., PATHOLOGY, MEMORIAL MEDICAL CENTER)
I mean, it's not like it matters much, and you're right. All are prescription medication prescribed to people every day.
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:06 am
I know.
When I first heard I assumed it was cocaine or something. I was pleasantly surprised.
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July 27th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Also as far as the Throwing Copper line that should only be applied if they are no longer as Popular. Cause that group could still be making music. But has anyone heard of them lately? Don't think so. This group is still popular and has some *hot shit*. Bought this today and will definitely be on heavy repeat on my sound system. Also the way music today is getting mixed and mastered why does no one talk about how clean and dynamic the quality is. Awesome job, for the most part, Mike Elizondo and Andy Wallace. Metallica TAKE NOTICE lol.
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July 27th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Okay, this is JUST MY OPINION. I am a HIGE A7X fan. I am sad to see The Rev go, and was saddened by it. IN all honesty, I've heard the new cd, and it is not up to par as some of their older works. I did enjoy the Afterlife cd, and City of Evil and even Waking the Fallen. The only song on the new cd I like is "Nightmare". I think rushing a cd after the loss of a band member is not only a bad way to keep a fanbase, but also taints the memory of the lost member. Like I said before, This is just my personal opinion on it. Being a former addict, I know how hard it is to break a habit that can consume you until you either seek treatment. Sadly, we lose a lot of talent to the addiction (Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, etc.) and it is a large loss to the music community. We should remember the people for what they gave us in their lives instead of bickering and bitching about it. But this is just me. Feel free to comment or bash or whatever will make you feel like a better person. But just remember nitpicking will get you nowhere, and it neither will being so anal about things, just enjoy the music, relate to it, and find ones that make you happy.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
If you are a fan of Avenged Sevenfold as you claim how could you tarnish your comment with *and even Waking The Fallen*?<–that is a certified CLASSIC. And I'll agree most of the song *Nightmare* is awesome but you are missing out on some really good music if that's all you are into with this album. Now as to your *opinion* would you consider my comments Hating?
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
It appears the Staff only responds if some1 calls them a dickhead or shit head or ass fuck. Or if some1 says how they respect their opinion about blatantly hating on a album, and that they will still be frequenting this site. EAD LOL *Dead*
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Sam replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
The "Afterlife" CD? Hmm, I think you need to rethink that one…
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July 27th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
wow… you suck. fiction is my absolute favorite avenged sevenfold song of all time. the piano part is genius. having played piano for 12 years, since i was three, i think i would know. you probably dont know a thing about music in a classical sense. until you study music from the beginning, you know nothing and your opinion on an album such as this is rendered completely invalid.
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Steve replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
That makes you 15, so you obviously know everything.
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Ryan replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
1. 12 years of classical training is probably a lot more than you have. regardless of age
2. Mozart was regarded as one of the most prominent musicians to have ever lived. nobody questioned his experience as old as 6 when he wrote his first symphony. i'm in no means comparing myself to him, im saying age is irrelevant when it comes to fine arts.
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matt replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
I listened to some of your music on your myspace… http://www.myspace.com/ryan1rogers
don't ever tell anyone their opinion is completely invalid when you post shit like that.
and you look like Justin Bieber.
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Ryan replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
one is a demo and the other was my final exam for music theory 2. the instrumental i purposely made reminiscent of pinkly smooth with more classical influences. think what you will about the demo, it was recorded in one take. and its with a band that formed 4 days ago. and recorded on a shitty handheld. but the instrumental in my opinion sounds very good.
also my appearance has nothing to do with my musical experience.
and just because someone has a bad recording of something doesnt mean the song is bad. sometimes people make their recordings sound bad purposely (though i didnt) like the white stripes. its called artistic license.
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LDA replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Lol Nice! A 15 year old sounds more mature then half of the people on this site. Kudos Ryan! Agreed that a lot of fans have gone overboard with the trash talking and name calling but there are some non fans that have sunk down to that immature level as well. This tactic isn't going to help make a point for either side!
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Ryan replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Thank you =). Though holding back proved to be very difficult! lol
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Some of the people posting on here almost make me ashamed to be an Avenged fan. It really is people like them who give us a bad name.
Surely it would've been sufficient to simply tell the reviewer that it wasn't Matt singing alone on Fiction? But no, the idiots have to descend with their pitchforks and blazing torches. Grow up.
I'm a die hard Avenged fan, and have been since STST, this does not however make me better than any other fan. The band appreciates each and every one of us.
I've loved every album they've done for different reasons, partly because they are so different from each other. But I can see how they're not everyone's cup of tea. For the same reasons that I can't stand Metallica, or Children of Bodom. We're all different.
Obviously I disagree with the reviewer, but he is allowed his opinion. And as we've established, the thing about the Matt/Jimmy vocals on Fiction was an error on the part of WB & the PR people.
With this album, I think people are more emotionally invested in it, because we didn't know if we were going to actually get it. The band didn't know if they'd carry on. But they had this album that Jimmy had written with them, and they felt that they owed it to him to give that album to everyone. It might feel unfinished, but the majority of it was already done before December, so it's pretty much the album we would have gotten had he died or not. To a casual listener, I can appreciate that Fiction might sound bizarre. But to the fans who've always felt part of the A7X family, it's very emotional listening to it and knowing the story to it. Especially when you hear those lyrics and know that he died not long after singing them.
I have to commend the majority of the staffers here though, because on the most part you've responded very calmly to the idiots disparaging you all and calling you names.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Thanks for you kind and thoughtful comments, Katey. We all appreciate it. Glad you enjoy the record. Hopefully you can appreciate our other reviews throughout the site and enjoy what we have to offer.
Keep rocking!
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Katey replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Thank you. I shall be having a scout around the site for sure.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Thanks for being level headed, Katey. Hopefully you'll find some reviews here that you can agree with. Thanks for commenting.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Kayey, we love people like you. Even if you don't agree with us you are welcome here anytime.
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emilyA7X replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
i agree with you katey
im also a die hard avenged fan (:
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Who the fuck is this guy haha? I'm gunna start my own review site because this one sucked soo bad. And who's this ginger bitch haha. It's funny how these people that dont know shit about music write reviews and comment on them..musically A7X destroys over 90% of the bands out now and that were before them. And yes the Rev did pretty much accidently do himeself in…but still, he is a ten times better musician than every member of alice in chains haha. that makes me laugh out loud that you compare A7X to them! Dumb bitch haha. Why dont you talk shit on bands that actually suck?
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
We appreciate the vapid input.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Oh, Alice In Chains have only sold something like 30 million albums worldwide, seven Grammy nominations, and handed out Golden God awards. No big deal.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
90% destruction rate? That's like Godzilla unleashed on Tokyo! I will hide the rest of my music collection from this highly destructive force.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
You know, I don't think they were reviewing the band to be honest. They were just reviewing the album. Please refrain from name calling. You're still making us look bad.
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Thanks so much for all of the love shown today. I'm glad the music of this band brings us all together. It's also awesome to know you guys are so concerned about my personal well-being. So I'll address some more comments before I get back to my Atari.
1. I cannot be both a douchebag and an arrogant prick. Sharp objects will obviously break the bag. Duh.
2. No, I did not originally realize The Rev did the vocals in "Fiction". Please see the update above. I still stand by what I think of the song. I really do wish my employer would give me all day and night to leave, breathe, and eat every single band. Alas, I cannot. So I can only write during my off-time, which eats into time when normally I shoot puppies with a bee-bee gun and troll websites posting anonymous death threats.
3. Speaking of death threats, I cannot die in a fire as I am a douchebag and will immediately soak it.
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Brandy replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
How do you get to be so hilarious.
I like how you take the crazy people with ease.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
I have lots of practice coming from a family of demented morons.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Your like our own little uncle fester Keith. HA HA HA!
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Alyssa replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Wow, that really made me laugh there for a couple of minutes. I love how everybody is dumping shit on you but yet you replace it with humour.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Keith, you are a comedic genius.
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Ryan replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
LOL hate this review, but you are freakin hilarious. ray william johnson would be proud.
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
I too thought the album sounded unfinished, but I actually really liked "Fiction." At first I was confused/appalled by the disabled-sounding Rev track linked above, but after discovering it was one of the last things he recorded, and given the significance of the lyrics to what the band has been going through the last six months, I'm mostly just honored that they decided to share it. It'll still sound weird on the radio though.
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July 27th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
DAMN, there are a lot of PISSED OFF people commenting on this review! It's called an OPINION people, if you don't like it, don't keep coming to the site to give it hits!
I've never liked AX7, so I don't give a crap about a this review, I just wanted to see what all of the commotion was about, haha.
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Ryan replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
lol that is apparent in your acronym fail =p.
but the band is definitely an acquired taste
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July 27th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Well everyone is titled to their own opinion…even if i don't agree with it, cos well…i'm a massive avenged sevenfold fan/avenged sevenfold geek.
I'm not going to send lots of abuse to you because to be honest, it's not going to make you like the album.
Though i know a few of you don't seem to like Fiction. The Rev had a pretty odd voice, i loved it personally but it probably isn't to everyone's taste. Like i wouldn't expect everyone to love his side project, Pinkly Smooth. Also not everyone is going to understand the connection with the Rev, why the fans loved him and how the band are around each other.
But yeah, other Avenged Sevenfold fans PLEASE stop giving abuse. You're making the rest of us look bad.
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July 27th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
It appears the Staff only responds to comments if some1 asks for them to eat shit or something or conversely praises their opinion about blatantly hating on a album ala Pitchfork *Recovery* EAD LOL *Dead*
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Luke Amos replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Well there are over three hundred comments. We are all employed, many are in school, and some have families. We love this site and pour our hearts into it but there is only so much time in the day. We try to reply to as many people as we can but on a thread like this some people are going to be missed. Look around and tell us what you like and thanks for reading.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Here is your praise, MCIcelandish.
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July 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Alright, I'll give my two cents even though, since I am a staff member, I am idiotic. I have loved Avenged Sevenfold since STST. I have all of their albums. They are some of the most talented musicians out there. To loosely quote someone above, "They are better than 90% of the people making music." But this album is pretty horrible. I deeply respect the Rev for his drumming ability but this album needed more time. Nightmare has SO much potential but falls flat on it's face so many times. I can see what they were trying to do, they just didn't make it work how they had hoped. Everyone is looking at this from an emotional standpoint. But objectively, it is quite disappointing. And you all seem so angry that he insulted the Rev's singing. It was HORRIBLE. I love the man but making that part of a song, even if it was a demo track originally, is not a good legacy. That being said I liked a couple of the songs but nothing worth going crazy over. I love A7X and can't wait for their next album. I just hope they put more time into it than this one.
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Lee replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
You’re right, you are an idiot! LOL! But we still love ya!
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
HAHAHA.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:07 am
Thank you Lee >.>
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:13 am
I know what you mean. The first time I listened to the album straight through, it took some time for me to really get into a lot of the songs. Sound-wise it isn't their best until you listen to it multiple times. I don't think his singing was horrible, but I am biased in that regard.
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July 27th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Wow I don't believe I managed to read through all that. It made me dizzy at some points. -> @_@
Well, I haven't heard the album yet, so I can't say much, but I stopped being an a7x fan a while ago. But from the little time I have been on this site, I've never seen this particular reviewer give a biased opinion. It's a review people, not an ode of love or hate to a band. So what, he didn't like the CD, and you did. You don't have to be agressive and immature. It just helps promote the idea that people who listen to metal are short-fused, intolerant, and in this case, young scene kids who bash people for having a different opinion, even taking the time to personally attack a person they don't even now for the sake of a band they "love so much."
I have also never seen a reviewer on this site divulge incorrect info. So why are some people trying so hard to prove anything said was untrue? I mean, due to what was said we can assume(we're sure by now though lol) Keith got the info directly from the bands pr firm and the label. You got your info from random links floating out on the interwebz. Why are you, all of a sudden, the one who's right?
And I feel sorry for Jen. I mean, she says something that once again, is not untrue, and people flare up immaturely attacking her personally. People are just randomly flaming, using words like bitch, cunt, stupid, idiot. Women have brains too people. They can express their opinions. We don't live in caves anymore, so stop dragging your knuckles on the ground. She's always been cool and has never attacked anyone personally. I particularly like her, given the small time I've been here.
I wish more people that listen to this particular type of music would take the time to think and be mature. To be frank, I don't know how the staff hasn't banned like half of the flamers. If the power was in my hands, I would've definitely done so by now. Sure, metal's about anger, and rage, and whatever, but that doesn't mean we have to act like uncivilized middle school children.
Bah, I've said too much. I will say more after I've given the album a spin.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Very wise, Gabriel. Thanks for chiming in. Hope you enjoy what we have going on here. Keep rocking!
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Thanks for the kind words, Gabriel. But don't feel bad for me. I have a wonderful husband, daughter and happy life outside of the site and will continue to have one, in spite of what harsh words are used to describe me by people who obviously don't know me.
I love how people are quick to call some women names that they wouldn't want people calling their mom or their sister. That's okay though. I'm a big girl, and I can deal with crap. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
And we approve every comment here unless it's spam or insanely offensive (which rarely happens). We give people a platform to speak out – what they choose to do with it is their business. I'd love to see some of these people go to other sites and talk trash. Either 1) no one will comment back to them because they don't care what their visitors thing, or 2) they'll be banned. That's not how we roll here, yet people complain about it. Oh well, you can't please everybody.
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July 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I've read threw this whole list of comments, from the staff, the fans, and any other lurker who seemed to be passing by.
First and formost I would like to explain where I am coming from before I write out what I think of this review, and the comments. I am young african american woman, who from birth to the age of 12. Have always been a fan of the genre's R n B, Rap, HipHop, Jazz, blues and others around that genre. I have studied classical music, and having been playing the Saxophone since I was 9-10 years old. So from that I hope you can see where I am coming from.
Last year, I was in time of need, and I decided to switch my music tastes around, and well I guess it happened subconsciously. I discovered Rock, Metal, Alternative, Country, Techno, and all other genre's I'm not going to list and I have to say I have fell in love with all of them, so my music tastes range, and I'm not so biased. Well maybe to genre of metal since Avenged Sevenfold has been my top music choice for a while now.
Now lets star on the review, I have to say this hasn't been my favorite review. Honestly I guess I disagree with it, and this is why. I don't think this was given a fair few under the cercomstances(sp?). But most wouldn't know what they were if you weren't a huge fan of A7X( Avenged Sevenfold.)
The song Fiction has gotten many comments. I personally think it's a masterpiece, because I knew the backround of it, where they were coming from,and how much the song meant in value. To clearify, yes the Rev's vocals where on Fiction he sang most of the song. Matt "M.Shadows" Sanders, the vocalist was a part of that song too probably trying to fill in the missing vocals (at least thats what I think). The comment made by Jen about the vocalist being drunk really angered me. I wouldn't have made such a disrespectful comment without knowing the facts. Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan, had a naturally slur to his voice, and yes it was nasely too. But this track was a demo, like many of the commentors have said, and it wasn't recorded in idea that it would be put exactly like that on the album. Jimmy's voice is a voice you probably won't come by, and that is a unique factor for me. If you have the time listen to some of my favorite song's he has been featured in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYBKR-saj4 <–A Little Piece of Heaven, his vocals come in 1:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylz_yB4kBPQ <–Mcfly, a side project with lead guiarist Brian "Synyster Gates" Haner.
But back to the vocals, I agree with the reviewer the vocals werent the best, but let me explain to you why they probably put them on the album. This album was meant to be a goodbye to the Rev. This was all written and recorded on emotion, and they put this out for us fans…but I don't think we even are that, we're all family. To all of us who didn't know the Rev personally, didn't speak to him everyday those vocals meant so much. This was his goodbye, and even though they werent the best vocals, They mean the most to many of us including me because we all loved him, as a person, and as an artist. So excuse my fellow brothers and sisters, who just acted out of love, who defended someone we care about. If they were in a better state of mind, I guarantee you there comments would have been calmer, after all this is an emotional album for us.
Avenged Sevenfold has become such a diverse band, and they have proved so much in strength in spirit espeically in this album. This album was rewitten in pain, and to answer the post I think I read somewhere on here that the band rushed the album, and it shouldn't have came out yet because it wasn't finished. I have to say, that this album was supposed to be a concept album first. It was based around the song Nightmare, and when Jimmy died, they kept that song to show fans an idea of what they have been working towards. Of course Nightmare isn't to describe the whole album in general. It has nothing to do with the Rev except that he liked the song. One day if the band does indeed continue, we probably will here the songs that where supposed to be on Nightmare, but for now we deal with this album, that wasn't written for money, but out of love. This album purly describes Jimmy, and thats why its so mixed in the form of sound wise.
I personally don't get what Keith didn't like about the other songs he stated he didnt like. But it's his opionion, and I respect that, even though I strongly disagree with him. Everything isn't going to go our way in life, and it just so happens that this review didn't go the way we liked. To all who haven't even listened to the full album yet, they should at least pay a trip to youtube, because this review doesn't do justice for everyone. ONe person's perspective shouldn't decide yours, because in the end your own matters. And if you want to buy the album go ahead, help us make the album #1 on the billboards.
Also the comment that many of the songs sounded like older hits, is in my honest opinion B.S. Because we are a culture, that takes from the past. Everything we listen to todya, has been influenced off something previoulsy, and listening to an album shouldn't be based on what it came from, or what it was influenced by. But the lyric contents, and how they were used, represented, and written. Lyrics are poetry, and we get poetry from ourselves, or from the people who have written it. And poetry is basically based off of life. But poetry is copied to, many people hear/read something, and they subconsciously write something that is similar influencial wise. So don't compare songs from the past to songs of the present and future because in the end the songs of the past, were influenced by something of the far older. If you understand what I mean.
So if it were me, and I was the reviewer I would have done a lot more research on this band before nad after I reviewed the album. Then I would have listened to it again, maybe I would understand the depth and heart that was put in. This could have been a much better review, I agree with many. I'm not saying it had to be pleasing, but it sure could've stated more backround facts.
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Now if I were a raging fan, who wasn't in the right state of mind when I read this. I would say that I like evryone one, including Keith, but Jen. Because I think she's a bitch, but that's my opinion. Lee I'm sorry for disrepecting your wife, but it's my opinion. And this site is soaly(sp?) based of opinions, so don't bite my ass because of it. I just don't like her, and that's my opinion she doesnt know what she's talking about. Jimmmy was never a druggie, and he died of an accidental drug overdose, that was perscribed to him by a doctor, If im not mistaken. He meant a lot to us, and the people who knew him, maybe to you he was just some other guy. But to us, he was a someone who mattered so deeply to us. Imagine, if Lee passed on such similar conditions( god forbit) you and every other person who was like family, and knew him would defend him because you love him and care about him. So give us a break, and just stop talking if you can't get your shit straight, and get the proper facts.
ONce again I mean no disrespect but once again my opinion
xx-Reese
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Reese replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Oh yeh, and to those who don't like the fact that avenged sevenfold have diversed there sound. Then thats your problem, bands grow, and they have an unmistakble sound. That I find hard to place in one genre, and in my opinion thats what I like about bands who can do that, and succeed.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Reese,
Since you obviously have a personal problem with me, you can e-mail me and we'll discuss this like grown ups. Because I do in fact have some things I'd like to say to you, but I'm not posting them here to further fuel the "bitch" flame.
But I will address this: "Imagine, if Lee passed on such similar conditions( god forbit) you and every other person who was like family, and knew him would defend him because you love him and care about him."
That's because he is my HUSBAND. I know him. That's comparing apples to oranges. To say I don't know what I'm talking about is a presumption. Everything I said I can back up. What is it that I said that you have an issue with?
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Reese replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I should have wrote this before, but I wasn’t trying to offend you. I wasn’t like I stated in my open calm mind when I write that last ending part. I just wanted to show you, what I wouldve have been like if I acted on impusle of readin the review, and your comment to it., But I calmed down, and took into consideration on everything you, and your other co-workers were writing. I actually forgot to take out the last couple sentences, because I did my research and you were right on how he died. But the way you worded things in your earlier post made it seem to many of us, that your were calling him a druggie.
I dont have a personal problem with you, but you came off as bitch to me. I had many other friends both online and in IRL read your comments, and they did agree with me that you gave off this bitch persona. That you probably arent, and I dont ihhnk your husband would love someone like that( I wouldnt), so you probably arent. But tehn again, I don’t know your husband or you for that matter, so I shouldnt be making assumsions on your personal life. So excuse that last comment.
Aand yes, he is your husband, and I know you care about him. I care about Jimmy too!!. I know him, Imet him on multiple acounts, and he’s a great guy.
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Well surely if you read my comments then you've read some of the horrible stuff that's been said about me, even though I haven't personally attacked anyone. That tends to make a woman a bit bitchy.
I often go in defense mode because it's always "you're a girl, what do you know", "slut", "bitch" sort of stuff said to me. I designed this site, I coded it from scratch, and I bleed for it (just as the writers do). I simply won't sit back while people poke their fingers in my chest (figuratively speaking, of course). I'm passionate about things too, just as you fans are. I just wish people could learn that a review doesn't make or break an album or band and to stop getting so damned worked up over them.
And for the record, I don't just care about my husband. I love him with every fiber of my being. We have a child together. We are together every day, so I still can't fully agree with your analogy, though I do see what you're trying to say.
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Reese replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Yes, I knwo how you feel, and I give you props. I wish I could code, I sort of get it. But im not like site making material. So I have to say you did a damn good job on this site. I love graphic designing, a slight hobby of mine, that I hope to get better at soon. Yes I know what you mean, I thought about this review a lot and your right. One person doesnt change anything on how you should feel about an album, and thats what I feel. Thats why I tried to be really open minded when I was writing the 90% of my comment..excluding that part about you.
I apologize, for making it seem like your completely uneducated and you gossip.
Love is a wonderful thing, and I'm happy that you share it with your husband, and now child.
Yes, I agree it wasnt the best analogy, and Im glad you understood what I was trying to say
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Ryan replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
thankyou lol. fiction is my all time favorite song. i went through the whole thing, the choice of harmonies is incredibly obscure, yet it works so well
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July 27th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Woooooo!
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Jen replied:
July 27th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
So profound.
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July 27th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
This is like Screamworks Pt. 2. The only difference between the responses is that the genders are switched.
I had the pleasure of seeing A7X in concert last February (of 09') and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't like their Self-titled that much except for a few songs (Brompton Cocktail is the shining moment on that album), I loved their two previous efforts completely though, those are permanent in my music collection.
This album is indeed disappointing. I can agree that they should've taken more time on it and cut down on the gimmicks, made something really heartfelt and memorable.
In fact, they should have re-thought the whole concept of the album. They shouldn't have made a tribute; they should've gone all out and made a true-to-heart A7X album. Now we have this sob-story that we call "Nightmare". There are a few good songs (not "great"), and that's really all this album has to offer.
The Rev was a great drummer, but this is just…. I agree with Jen, there is no reason to put dead musicians on a pedestal and showcase their tragedy to the world. The Rev died like a rockstar, he wasn't stricken with a disease or anything like Dio was, he brought this on himself. He succumbed to the stereotypical rockstar lifestyle and that is not worth recognition.
Maybe next time, fellas (if there is a next time, at least).
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July 27th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Taking a break from finding the first Easter egg ever in a console game: Atari's Adventure. Did you know the dragon could follow you in that area? Things were much simpler when people were represented as a solid rectangle. Time for comment responses.
1. Please refrain from making such misogynistic, hateful comments to Jen. Save them for the women in your own life. Get your own girlfriend alone, play some soft music, and call her a cum dumpster. That will go off like fireworks.
2. I want to thank those who came to my defense. I haven't generated so much hate since that time I put Nair in all of the team's jock straps.
3. No, I don't know The Rev or any of the band members. I'm just a guy who listens to a lot of music. And I mean a lot. I base my opinions solely on what I hear. One of the greatest bands in the history of music, Queen, put out "Made in Heaven" in 1995, four years after Freddie Mercury died. I was a Queen fan my whole life and still do not like this album; I never thought the bits and pieces they put together really worked. I don't think bands really care what I think and I don't expect them to. Why should they care?
Hold on, phone call…..
Okay, that was M Shadows. They are not going to tour because of this review. Sorry guys.
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
you look and sound like a girl i once knew, shaina? did you get a sex-change operation?!
you sure act as immature as her at least…
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KeithAndersonFail replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
KEITH ANDERSON – “God Hates Us” is especially powerful and is what I wanted the whole album to be.
hummm its unprofessional to say your personnal thoughts in a critic. Learn to do your job before wirtting shitty reviews
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joe replied:
March 3rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
are you a virgin who wanks over her. Your a virgin arnt you lol. Do you still live with you mam and dad
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:31 am
They mentioned me lol. Being that this is the World Wide Web I'm now World Famous. Take that Bitches. But not you Jen I love red heads lmao. Just kidding but I must be some idiotic imbecile to think that this album is absolute awesomeness. I honestly think that this group is to metal what Eminem is to rap. Infer away. Unfinished album? my ass. But then again I'm a gigantic Nas Fan.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 12:40 am
To those that don't know Nas is a rapper. Although I think that would be a awesome Metal name.
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am
Seriously, this album is the shit. Fuck whoever says Fiction is the worst song on the album, its a masterpeice….this reveiw is worse than the rocksound interview a few months ago.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:21 am
you should go read the Pop & Hiss review from the LA Times, it's like Mickey Mouse wrote it. The guy only brought up like 3 songs and those songs were all released before the album came out, he went on about the music vid for nightmare and the "ultra-violent" COD: Black Op's video for Welcome To The Family. He also said something about satanic(?) screams.
It was the worst reivew I have ever read in my life. It makes the rocksound review sound great.
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Chad replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:40 am
Wow, I just read that review and I totally agree, they make it sound like every part of this album is terrible, especially with the last sentence,
"With imagery haunted by death and lyrical allusions to alienation and angst, Avenged Sevenfold's fifth full-length is almost impossible to appreciate unless you fit the prime demographic: tormented teenage boys."
Worst review ever, he didn't even mention The Rev or 80% of the songs.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:05 am
I find it funny how that guy could review the album without using references to the actual album. What makes it worse, is that the guy writes for the LA Times which you think would give them a good lengthy review because the guys are from California.
But i didnt expect anything better than a pre school level review from a blog called Pop and Hiss.
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am
I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'll get that out of the way first. I am not trying to insult anyone or say that they are wrong, because someone's opinion cannot be wrong. These are my thoughts on the review and the album.
I believe that Keith was a little too harsh in his review, even though it was his honest review and I respect that. However, I don't like how he says he doesn't like a song simply because it sounds like another song. Buried Alive didn't remind me of The Unforgiven in the slighest bit, although they may be similar in structure, slower song for heavier band, they are very different. Victim does have the soaring female vocals that Dark Side has, but that doesn't mean that they simply copied them either. Other bands have used female vocals similar to that but didn't try to copy. Instead of comparing the songs on this album to other songs, I think he should analyze each song seperately and forget about everything the band has does previously
I also wish that Keith would've talked more about what he enjoyed about the album. He did say he liked 3 songs on it, but most of the comments on the whole album were negative. Also, he said he wanted the whole album to be like "God Hates Us", but reviewing the album isn't about seeing if the album was exactly what you wanted or not, it's what they wrote and what is on the album, not what you hoped was on it.
I feel like I should review the album song by song the way I see it, giving MY own opinion as well as everyone else's.
Nightmare: This song is a great way to start off the album, and I love the intro. The piano in the chorus makes the whole song. When I listened to it when it came out as a single, it's not what I expected, but I did like it. The solo and bridge are a little strange, but they still sound good.
Welcome to the Family: Starts off so strong with the drum fill and going straight into M. Shadows singing. Easily one of my favorite songs off the album. The vocals are very catchy and I think they did a great job on the bridge and when it goes into the 3/4 time signature. The only thing I would've changed is the solo, it's very strange how it goes from soloing to pause to soloing etc.
Danger Line: An amazing intro, especially when the lead guitar goes in. However, after that it is a little strange. Seperately, each part sounds good, but the transistions are empty and strange. I do like the verse and the drum parts on it. The chorus reminds me of Lost from their self-titled, and the ending of the fast part reminds me of the fast songs from City of Evil. I do like how it goes right into the quiet piano with Shadows singing, and the trumpet may have looked good on paper, but it feels lonely like it needs something else backing it up. The outro would have been better without the trumpet, and the whistling is a very cool idea, but it doesn't really add much to the song.
Buried Alive: Well-written, with a beautiful lead guitar during he pre-chorus and post-chorus. The chorus and verse are also good. I like how the solo changes feel halfway through, then the last note holds and the drums keep going until the heavy riff, which is the best part of the whole song.
Natural Born Killer: What can I say, very original for Avenged Sevenfold, and I love how it has the blast beat and scream, and goes right into a headbanging riff. The perfect mix of heavyness, and then the pre-chorus hits, with Johnny's bass standing out and a soft feel, into a great chorus. This song is another one of my favorites.
So Far Away: It's alright. The ending is good, but I don't really feel that the first 2 minutes are anything special.
God Hates Us: Didn't know what track it was at first, and I heard the acoustic guitar, so then when the heavy riff came in, I was hooked right then and there. The guitar in the verse is insane, and blows my mind everytime I listen to it. The breakdown could've started out a little stronger in my opinion. The outro fading out with the same acoustic guitar is also a great ending.
Victim: The intro, outro, and choruses are good, but the verses lack and the tempo pick up doesn't fit in with the rest of the song. I do think that the female vocal parts are a good add on, but I wish they would've picked a better female singer for the part. The bells at the beginning really help make it better, but the verses are meh.
Tonight The World Dies: The ooh's in the song are good, but once again, the verses are lacking, and the whole song has a similar feel to Victim.
Fiction: The Rev was known for writing very strange songs, and this one is no different than the other. It's odd, out of the ordinary, yet I think it is so beautiful, and not just because it was the last song he wrong, but as a song it gives such a strange yet emotional feel. The Rev's vocals on the chorus and the few parts on the verses are great, but during the bridge, I do agree his voice is too nasally for the album. I understand that the band wanted to put him on as a final tribute, but it is tough to understand him. Still, it is what it is and when you actually take the time to listen, you can understand the words a little bit.
Save Me: A masterpiece, and not just because it's almost 11 minutes long. It gives me the chills everytime I hear The Rev says "Skull" and the gothic singing chorus starts at the same time. The is not a SINGLE boring part on this song, and I could talk about every part of the song but I'd probably write another page of it, so all I can say is that this song is probably the best they've ever written, and it won't even feel like 11 minutes has passed after listening to this song because it is THAT amazing.
Overall, I think this is a great album, and a great tribute to the Rev. Although there were some sour moments and a few too many slow songs, the great songs stand out strong, and other than the slow songs, there's a good mix of music and none of the songs sound too similar to others on this album. I'd give it a 4/5 overall.
That's my honest opinion. None of that "A7X RULES ALL THEIR SONGS ARE GREAT" stuff, but my honest opinion. I do believe that arguing over music is a waste of time, because everyone has their own opinion. I like to DISCUSS music, and not argue about it. So let the comment/love/hate/flame war begin.
One thing though Keith, I do want to hear your opinion on the song "Save Me" because you didn't mention it at all in your review.
Thanks again, and happy music listening to all the A7X listeners and the Deathbat Army!
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July 28th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Keith, i'd like to inform you in the nicest way possible that you have come to piss me the fuck off once more with that little update you did. Now, I've given some thought to your whole review and realized that it is your opinion but do you have to go as far and say he was drunk? I dont think so.
Besides what he says is completely audible and that is his style of singing, keeping that in mind, he could have just be to close to the microphone.
Those boys can drink but they have said that they take their music very seriously and they stay sober and at the most buzzed during the recording process.
For a fan that follows this band by going and checking out the latest interviews and news on their music everyday, this album was a big step for us and them. For me that meant, me sitting in my room listening to the album all the way through. When it got to God Hates Us, I didnt move until 5 minutes after Fiction played. I felt heavy and my heart felt like it was on fire.
Fans had reactions like mine and that is why they are all here bitching at you for the review because we took the album in two ways; emotionally and musically. But for you to say some of the stuff you said, it hit the emotional side more than the musical side. Granted is this their best 'metal' album no, but it is their greatest album to date in avenged style. I personally think the album sounded more like Guns n' Roses during victim and tonight the world dies so yeah those two are way different than the rest with more of an 80's metal infulence.
There is one thing that I agree with you on though, the album could have been better if they took more time on it but in reality, how much longer could they have taken with it? There was only so much to change without taking away anything that the Rev liked and this album after all, is for him.
So there, my own personal little review and my attempt for you to see from a major fan's point of view. Not a fan that says oh, this album of theirs is the only one I like, or a fan that only truly likes one or two songs because they were played on the radio, but a fan that likes every single album and listens to every song, not because I like them all but because I'm simply a fan. i'll be the first to admit that danger line didnt get me until it hit the whistling then it all came together. It's my least favorite song on the album.
Okay, for real this time, my ranting is over in this comment. i've realized that you gave it a 2.5 out of 5, that's half and they way you wrote this review makes it sound like a -2.5. The rating isnt really all that bad.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:26 am
I did not say he was drunk. I compared his incoherent recording to those of Elvis and Morrison. Most of the commenters implied that recording was taken three days prior to his death. Sounds to me like they believe there was something making him sound incoherent. As for what he was taking and when, don't know. I only have the outcome of that session.
Either way, the song doesn't work for me. At. All.
No 2.5 isn't a terrible rating out of 5.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:47 am
Nahh, Jimmy is just incoherent. He does that in all of the Pinkly Smooth songs, you cant understand a word in parts of those songs. It's his style which is…different than most.
Thanks for clearing that part of your update for me.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:54 am
You made a huge post and managed to say nothing substantial or relevant.
A major fan? More like a fangirl. The whole "DUR A7X STYLE" thing is called special pleading. It's really not up to you to say what is their best album. An album's quality is determined through its composition, lyricism, artistry and the like, NOT the 'reactions' of an impressionable, uneducated fangirl.
The review did not warrant that kind of response. In fact, nothing does. I'm sure there's thousands of girls that cry at every sad Lil' Wayne song, but that doesn't mean shit.
I'm a huge fan, but people like you makes people think we're all idiots.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Really? Avenged as said that they dont have a genre really. The do what they want and they even said it was AVENGED STYLE.
I'm not an 'uneducated fangirl' whatever the fuck that means. I can say what their best album has been because that's what I feel like saying. Most people are hung up on COE so of course they arent going to see how any of their other music compares.
Their best metal album is COE but Nightmare is different. It is their best in the sence that it's more mature and it has a mix of everything that is great about Avenged ; the sweep picking and the bending of strings,the ingenious riffs and solos, the drum work is impeciable and different because of the "double ride thing" as Jimmy called it, M.Shadow's vocals are amazing and so is his ability to scream, the bass lines keep their songs from completely going of into weird sections, and most of all, their lyrics are some of the most genious compositions that I have ever seen in music, mind you I listen to everything from the great Led Zepplin to Eminem to Miley Cyrus, and the Avenged Sevenfold lyrics are at the top of my list. That's because they have a realistic feel but they take you on a journey like a story. It's that quality that i admire about those boys the most.
And don't call me a fangirl because honestly, that word disgusts me. Fangirls dont care about the music, just the memebers of the band and how hot they look. I am and never will be a fangirl. Granted the guys are gorgeous but I started listening to them before I knew what they looked like so their music is what won me over.
And when you say that his review did not warrant that kind of response, I wasnt talking about his review. That is how I felt when I listened to the album because it effected me because of how much I loved their music and that the Rev wasnt going to be there anymore. Also, i felt that way because this might be their last album so excuse me for feeling upset that my favorite band and idols might not continue on with what they've been doing since 1999.
And if I make you think you're an idiot, maybe you are because your letting what I have to say influence you. Here's a tip, dont let the shit I have to say get to you. Besides since you think i made a huge post and managed to say nothing, why is that bugging you? I'd sure the fuck like to know.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
The band doesn't have a genre because they change it so much. The band is not defined into a genre themselves, but they DO play in genres. If they play in a genre and they do it in 'a7x style', they're still playing a genre.
By uneducated fangirl, I mean a girl that listens to them yet knows basically nothing about music. That you think that they don't play in genres based on a misinterpretation of their words. While it may be true that some people are hung up on previous albums, that is really irrelevant in this situation.
That's a cute little attempt at musical knowledge right there. Yet you make no reference to song structure or composition. It's like you saying "oh they have solos and power chords and pinched harmonics so it's good". Ingenious riffs? Maybe like the whole Stockholm Syndrome rip-off (God Hates Us) and recycled progressions.
If you're so into their lyrics you may have noticed how much depth their earlier work had, and really Nightmare barely measures. But sure, I can't expect you to be able to tell the difference between Edgar Allan Poe and Stephenie Meyer. Their lyricism is what won me over too. I listen from anything ranging from horrorcore (old Eminem is very good), to death metal, to some indie, to classic.
Please refrain from asserting which is "their best" album in the future because you're not apt for the job. I'm sorry.
I don't know what the hell makes you think this album is more "mature", too many people say that word with nothing to back themselves but an argument ad novitatem, which is a fallacy. Basically that means a line of reasoning similar to this "it is newer therefore it is more mature".
A fangirl is the female equivalent of a fanboy and it does not necessarily mean you only like them because you want their dicks. It's just someone who has this blind obsession with the band. You don't sound as much of a fangirl now that I think about it, so I'll take that back.
If you were just saying how you feel about the album maybe you should have said that. It's nice and all, but I thought you were trying to argue or represent the rest of us Avenged Sevenfold fans.
I didn't mean that you make me feel like an idiot. I implied that when other people stupid A7x fans, they associate the rest of us with them, and therefore they think all A7x fans are stupid.
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I think the lyrics in Nightmare measure up and go way beyond some of their old material. Are these the best songs they've ever written? No, and we never will know but songs like Save Me, So Far Away, Welcome to the Family, and God hates Us are some of the best material they have written to date. With Nightmare, I say more mature because they seem to connect to these songs more. They've grown since the their last album and they play better, sound better, and overall preform better. I also think their writing has mature from where they had started.
I know a lot about music actually. I can read and write music and I can play it. I may not know all the technical terms but I know what's what in a song.
And, please, let's refrain from ever mentioning Edgar Allen Poe and Stephenie Meyer in the same sentence let alone in the same paragraph. She should not have any books on the best sellers list because her writing sounds like a 6th grade who just learned to use the synonyms button on word for the first time and it has no substance. Edgar Allen Poe on the other hand, is one of my favorite writers along with Emily Dickinson so you see, I'm not your typical teenager obsessed with sparkling vampires and werewolfs who don't wear shirts. I'm not obsessed with anything, not even Avenged. I just have a passion for music and it just so happens that Avenged caught my eye and is one of my favorites besides, when I like a band, I actually do some research because I like to know what I'm talking about.
I, in no way, will try to represent other fans ecspecially if I have something negative to say because I don't need to speak for others, they have mouths. if someone thinks all a7x fans are stupid because of stupid people that happen to be fans then that is their problem. We just have to go out and rep for ourselves and hope that the haters can get past the stupid person who labels her/him self as a fan.
and thank you for taking the fangirl thing back. That is my biggest pet peeve when it comes to being a fan of something. I had to defend myself to not get that title a while back with All Time Low and I don't feel like doing it again.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
The Edgar AllAn Poe thing I said is called an analogy.
God Hates Us is a bite-sized version of I Won't See You Tonight part 2. The latter is so much deeper and well written both musically and lyrically. Don't even get me started and those other songs you mentioned.
Waking The Fallen was some of Shadow's most careful and detailed writing too. Remenissions, for example, is almost reminiscent of Poe's Pit in the Pendulum with the gothic, metaphorical imagery foreshadowing death and the psychological processes associated. The song then takes a somewhat philosophical twist. Then there's songs like Radiant Eclipse and Clairvoyant Disease.
Avenged's newer material simply lacks this finesse. While Nightmare certainly improved above their S/T, their lyricism was still too simple and spoonfed. It simple lacked the creativity of their previous works.
If you know plenty of music, you should notice how the composition is much more simplistic and recycled.
Anyway, this is not the place to talk about that. lol
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I'll agree it lacked some creativity but i wasnt expecting pieces like A Little Piece of Heaven and Art Of Subconscious Illusion( yeah, i know, not the best example but i think it's awesome and comical) to be on here, I was expecting stuff like Seize the Day and Dear God with a little Gunslinger here and there.
STST and WTF are going to be very different from their stuff now because they grew up although that isnt an excuse for the more resent stuff, they just went in different directions with each album. But let's be honest here, every band has songs that dont compare to their others like The Beatles for instance, The Piggies will never come anywhere close to Let It Be and Yesterday. But people still love that piggies song and people are going to love some of a7x's stuff over the rest but that doesnt make the rest of the stuff any better than the rest whether it be lyrically or musically.
I still think Nightmare is one of their best albums they've made and I just hope it's not their last.
And yeah, let's not get started on that. lol.
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July 28th, 2010 at 1:22 am
@Lee, don't get me wrong I agree 100% that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I know that everyone will not agree with each other when it comes to certain things so I do apologize if I implied any different.
@Jen, after reading your comments I became more upset about this review in general. You said earlier "Furthermore, stop treating "The Rev" like he’s some kind of hero.". Why would you say this? Everyone idolizes someone in their life as a hero whether it be because of who they are or what they do. The Rev didn't kill anyone, he didn't commit any crime to humanity to make him hated, why would someone considering him a hero be a bad thing? Another prime example, Lil wayne has had a HUGE impact on the music industry and alot of people idolize him even though he has admitted to doing drugs. Even though he does drugs he still makes amazing music and most people can agree. It isn't about what the person does outside of the music, it's about what they do to contribute to it, and the Rev has done more than enough to be considered a hero.
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Thanks for this. I agree. He's just a musician, and a damn good one, in my eyes.
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:38 am
I just wrote this response to brandy, but threads replies only go 5 deep. I thought I is fitting here as well.
As far what Jennifer said, I don’t believe she was disrespectful to anyone. The fact that this guy did it to himself is what is so disrespectful. As a fan of the band, you should feel betrayed and let down that someone you admired was selfish enough to do this to himself. I’m sure you will say "it was an accident, he didn’t mean to kill himself" and I’m sure you are correct. But, with that being said, these rock stars get so caught up in their own lifestyles that they care less about life and how precious it truly is. Fans shouldn’t mourn him, you should mourn and feel sorry for the family that he so selfishly left behind.
Just because these people (whether its Jim Morrison, Elvis, Kurt Cobain,Layne Staley, Jimmy Hendrix, Paul Gray or "The Rev", just naming a few) are stars and in the worlds eye does not make them any more important than anyone else. Should we value their lives more than the average person who is a junkie or addict? You might say, "Well he meant and gave so much with his music." There are fortune 500 companies that are run by junkies and addicts who have made and are currently making more impact than this guy ever would have. Just sayin’
Bottom line, Jimmy made a tragic mistake that cost him his life. But, I can’t feel sorry for him because it was his decision and his decision alone. I do however feel sorry for his family that will have to deal with this loss for the rest of their lives. If any of the other band members are in the same boat as he was, hopefully they will head the warning and not make the same mistake/s that he did.
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July 28th, 2010 at 1:39 am
Man, this review has gotten more comments than I've seen on here. I think it even beats HIM on the incoherent hate rant level.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:23 am
If it doesn't surpass HIM, it will soon.
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Azriel replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Screamworks review: 178 comments
This review: 400 comments
… >_>
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:42 am
We need to drop it like it's hot.
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Jen replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Yep, all within 24 hours…making this review the most controversial ever. Sweet!
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:19 am
Everyone needs to lay off Jen. Did any of your fathers teach you how to be respectful towards women? I don't care if she was a horrible person, which she isn't, but show some class people.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:34 am
Yeah guys and gals, take a deep breath. Personal attacks are not necessary when writing your opinion on an album, voicing your opinion in such a manner simply dilutes the argument one makes and immediately strips the author of credibility.
We can discuss in a human manner, I am sure of it. Carry on!
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Or I could eat your babies.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Dear idiot,
your reviews are not even credible. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when their opinion is stupid, it should be corrected. You claim to be an avenged fan, when clearly you are not. People relate to, and become emotional when they hear these songs. Your taste in music is the polar opposite of what this album is composed of, it is only logical that you would post such idiotic statements. If you want to review something, review something that is near your taste so that your comments can actually be credible. For example, I am a rocker. If I review classical music, im gonna think its shit. why dont i judge something thats in my own taste? THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO DUMBASS! Do the world a favor and become paralyzed so you don't have to write such retarded crap.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:38 am
Oh please, shut up. Don't talk about smart opinions when you don't have them yourself. He says he likes City of Evil, so he likes the genre. Instantly, your whole post is irrelevant. There's people with an ample taste, then there's people that are not fucking retarded fanboys/fangirls such as you are.
If you're going to criticize something, at least use valid arguments. Take a few classes in logic before acting like a complete loon on the internet and fancying yourself the dark, sarcastic intellectual every stupid 13 year old scene broad wants to be.
RELEVANCE is a word most of you idiots don't seem to understand.
I'm an Avenged Sevenfold fan, and it disgusts me that some people therefore associate me to you. Idiots like you are one major reason so many people dislike this band.
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
And you steven, please shut the fuck up, at least she didnt RIP jimmy likemost of the idiots out there, I, too hate it when crazy fanboys/fangirls are crazy and biased and criticize something thats bad when its really is (which nightmare isnt). But city of evil has a whole different tupe of attitude and this is when they, as many people could put it "sold out"…they never waned to do what they called "an MTV set" for an album again, so its understood why this dumbass critic says it.
When you say you are a fan that means you like more than just one good album, you are willing to buy merch and go to concerts. You cant just sit ur balding fatass down at a computer and say "im a fan". This is what makes your response retarted steven. And this makes you all the more viable for jumping in a ditch with this dumbass critic.
Take the new buckcherry album for example, its a bunch of sold out crap with a crappy trailer trash fanbase, but he gave it 4/5 stars. Which makes me think he was listening to half of the songs before rating them because it seems all too quick to write reviews. PLUS the album isnt out and this isnt even a viable review site, so how did he get the album. PROBABLY PIRATING!. So a guy who pirates and blogs while not even listening to whole songs of an album has the right to rate an album? i dont think so.
I hope you know, that arguing with an idiot therefore makes you an idiot, but you must think you are a genius so that makes smartladay a genius therefore arguing with you makes me a genius. But she seems to use valid arguments, you just need to analyze the statement, which with your smart 6th grade comprehension, if you get this done you deserve a GOLD STAR.
I dont see why you think you can gang up on someone who is a fan but not totally obsessed to put at the post RIP Jimmy "the rev" or A7X foREVer and think that you could possibly be the smartest fan to the point where everybody who makes smart point is not a fanboy/fangirl and everybody whos point doesnt meet your criteria is. This makes you the biased dumbass who has the mind of a 9 year old who just cant let go of a toy he doesnt even use when someone else wants it. So if a fanbase can make you dislike a band, then you are not even a fan to begin with dumbass. So you, too have all the right to jump in the very same ditch that blogger Kieth (Because he doesnt deserve to be called critic) and Buttcherry's new album deserves to jump in and die.
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The NewReview replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
If you'll take a look at our releases page, you'll see that we've reviewed quite a few albums that aren't out yet. http://thenewreview.net/releases
More specifically, we just posted a review for Oceansize today and it doesn't come out until September. We got it directly from the label and the band has already posted links to it. You won't find a leaked copy on the internet, so how else would we have gotten it, hm?
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Well i find it very funny that you have to some up with quite a quick response to defend youselves. What happens if the record company came in and saw it, PLUS how do you know it isnt leaked, im sure you must have looked and why would you look, is it because you want to take the CD and post it on a site to be the first one to leak.
Please if you could prove me wrong instead of going "hm?" as if im going to be baffled like an obese man who just heard that he needs to be put on a diet, then do so. Otherwise "Hm?" doesnt give me shit.
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Your username should start with an I, at least that would make more sense for you.
This site has always posted reviews before the albums come out and that is just one reason why they are so popular.Your oblivious and have no clue as to how this process works.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
OH GOD URADUMBASS, I HAVEN'T LAUGHED SO MUCH IN A WHILE. I especially laughed at the part about me thinking I'm a genius, therefore smartalady being a genius, and therefore you being a genius.
If you're not the most hilarious troll out there and you're actually serious though, you seriously either need extensive college logic and english classes, a lobotomy, or a euthanasia.
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smartladay replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
1. I didn't say my opinion is right or smart. Maybe you should read my post again…
2. If you actually read it, I was making note that this guy does not even have the right to post this message.
3. Have you done your research?… I put the time in to look at what else this idiot has reviewed, maybe you should too. Don't criticize me if you don't even know the roots of the argument.
4. "Ample taste" is perception, I'm sorry yours is distorted. If you knew me, I am an avenged sevenfold fan, but not enough to give the credit that you've given me. Don't judge based off a response, congrats, you've made yourself look like a complete shitstain.
5. RELEVANCE is a word you don't understand yourself.
6. Im sorry I couldn't live up to your intellectual elite. I would hate to be associated with someone like you as well. You are the reason this band is made up of psycho idiot fans.
The only real response I can give you, is the same as i gave the idiot reviewer,
do the world a favor and become paralyzed so that you don't have to post retarded shit like this.
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
You’re obviously an intellectual zealot. You telling the reviewer to go and become paralyzed is ludicrous and speaks unbelievably about your state of mind. Like I told the almost 40 year old woman on here, get a life.
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smartladay replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
you have the same life as i do if you are coming on here and commenting me. haahha hypocrite. I said I couldn't live up to his intellectual ability. Why are you commenting on mine if I demeaned mine? fuck….you people can't read for shit.
My state of mind is completely normal. You are the one agreeing with the reviewer in the first place, he is the one that laughs at people's death. I have no idea what is running around in your retarded head but you better shut it off soon. Thanks for creating problems that don't exist!
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
1. Perhaps you should learn the meaning of "implication" and you should listen to your own advice. Fucking stupid people like you complaining about things pretending to be smart implies a lot of things.
2. I read your message, and you have absolutely no grounds on saying this guy has no right to post his message. You can't come to the internet, say the most retarded thing on earth, and expect people to take you seriously.
3. I have done my research extensively. I knew everything that was wrong with this review from the beginning. However, you seem to have no understanding of basic logic. What you're doing is called an ad hominem. You obviously don't know what that means, so fire up google will you? This is my basis to say you don't know how to make relevant arguments. And now I'm proven objectively right, so please keep it shut.
4. I was making a contrast between him and you, illustrating how fucking skewed your argument of 'dur hur different tastes' is. The only way to judge people is through what they say and what they demonstrate as their intellectual competences. Right now, your post has made me determined that you're absolute idiot based on your obtrusive lack of basic logical processes and your nauseating pretenses. You're stupid regardless what you'd like to think, and you can't make a reasonable argument for your life.
5. That is hilarious because that I've been proven right.
6. Psycho-idiot fans? Don't make you laugh. This is coming from the moron that makes arguments infested of fallacies and then asks people to become paralyzed. I'm quite a reasonable person, unlike you who has absolutely no place on Earth.
It's not up to you to say what is retarded or not because you're honestly one of the most stupid people I've seen in my life. Keep yourself away from the internet if you don't even have a basic highschool education. Keep telling yourself you're an idiot all you want, but do so in silence.
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smartladay replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
1. All I can say is hypocrite.
2. I hope nobody took me seriously. HAHAHA! yet another one of your great intellectual abilities, analyzing statements. Plus, he created the drama by posting a review filled with a bias towards music HE likes, and a review that people take into offense because he laughed at the dead…complete disrespect. Have you joined?
3. You can't seem to grasp the concept of being wrong. Your world must suck. If you have done research, you would know who has a credible opinion or not, so I doubt you have done any. YOU sir, lack basic logic. How can you even make an argument on how I lack it if you have no points to back it up? I mean, thats like me calling you a pigfaced horny dicksucker without even knowing you. Jesus, you are the biggest idiot of them all. P.s. you must think you are king of fucking everything you touch, not giving credit when credit should be placed. FYI i knew what you were saying, ignorant asshole.
4. Seriously, you have so many fragmented sentences it is hard to read what you actually mean. You are so jaded by the self-loathe of your intellectual being to actually know what you are saying. What you say makes no sense and has no RELEVANCE to what is actually said. Review your response before you give one. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS TOO! You don't even have one! Were your parents relatives? That must be the reason they created such a retarded being.
5. That statement, again, does not make sense.
6. Congrats on stooping down to "my level" by saying that I don't have a place on Earth. I did not ask him to become paralyzed, I hoped for him to. And once again, the first part of that statement does not make sense. LEARN TO MAKE SENSE MORON!
You have never seen me, and it is not up to you either. I feel so honored right now thinking that out of all of the bad comments that were posted, you chose to pick on mine. You gave me that opportunity to have a real argument with you, with someone who thinks he is as smart as smart can come. Realistically, you are a wasted talent with absolutely no life whatsoever.
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Steven replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
1. Of course that's all you can say because you're an idiot.
2. It's presumptuous to say it's full of bias. Take a fucking logic class for fucks sake. You're making a fool out of yourself.
3. If you had done your research or if you even knew how to read, you would know that's ad hominem reasoning, which is fallacious. I explained it to you, you retarded bimbo. Saying blank statements as "ignorant" and "hypocrite" makes it so obvious you're trying your hardest to sound smart. Try not to fry something, dumb broad.
4. I laughed at the desperate ad hominem. But look, the stupid bitch still doesn't know what that means. If you would like to know my argument, try taking an english and work on your reading comprehension. There's a reason you'll never make it big.
5. It is a reference to how many times I've put it in your face that your reasoning is objectively fallacious. Ad hominem, stupid bitch. Search it up and don't let everyone else know you're a dumbass.
6. That's because you're a fucking uneducated and ignorant piece of shit. Look up informal and logical fallacies and find out how many there are in your post. Jesus christ, I feel like I'm trying to explain quantum physics to a dog that can only bark.
You know what? Forget it, you're too stupid. If you've come this far without having an absolute clue of what you're talking about, there's no fixing you. You are an irreparable idiot and you'll die an idiot.
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smartladay replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 2:51 am
1. HAHAHA I haven't laughed so hard in a while from complete idiocy and ignorance towards one-self.
2. Why are you backing my statements? If you're going to argue with me, do it right. Take a logic class? Why would I need a logic class if you agreed with me…Reviews aren't supposed to be biased, what world do you live in? SCUMSAC STEVEN WORLD!
3. RETARDED BIMBO?!? LMFAO!!!! THATS THE BEST SHIT YOU HAVE?! CALLING ME A RETARDED BIMBO?!?! AHAHAHA IM COMPLETELY WASTING MY TIME RESPONDING TO THIS AFTER THAT I MEAN IM LITERALLY LAUGHING MY ASS OFF RIGHT NOW! Now that I've calmed down…wow,fuckbag, you don't even know me and you're calling me a bimbo?! LMFAO!!! Hey dumbass, it's called ad hominem abusive. GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!
4. I am a comedian, glad I can entertain dumbasses like you. Hey, what can I say, same to you. You commented me in the first place over my opinion, so what gives you the right to insult mine when IM DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE REVIEWER! Plus, that doesn't change your English skills. While I take a beautiful class in logic, it would be great for you to take one in English. MAYBE THEN somebody can realize what you are saying. In the meantime, do the world a favor and stop looking completely stupid.
5. That doesn't take away from the fact that the sentence itself didn't make sense. Now it does, and I can properly read it. And to respond to it, once again, its ad hominem abusive. Do you think you're the only "smart" one in the world? Don't give yourself too much credit.
6. You are using the exact same words as I am, but copying me. Learn english, beside "ad hominem" and "fallacious", your two favorite words… then you can actually hold an intellectual conversation. Great to know that it makes sense now so that I can read it. YOU are ignorant, the epitome of stupid, and contain beyond the "fragile X" than most of the mentally ill. Fire up google for that, you must have a terribly empty feeling in your skull.
All you are doing is arguing with an opinion. You have no winning when arguing with an opinion, unless you change it. Mine isn't going to change, and neither is your stupididty. So go sex up your false premises, invalid arguments, and yourself because I am 1000% sure that is all you will ever get.
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Steven replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:43 pm
1. I laughed at the herp a derp blank statement you made.
2. I didn't agree with it, you buffoon. Again, you need reading comprehension. What I did say is that it is presumptuous to say the review is biased. What a joke.
3. Oooh, looks like someone searched up wikipedia and still managed to learn nothing. Not only did you not manage to address what I said at all, but you committed an ad hominem tu quoque in erroneous grounds. 'Ad hominem abusive' is not insulting your opponent, it's insulting them in order to invalidate their argument. What I do is provide a sound refute and then make you know you're an imbecile.
I've also met too many pseudo-intellectual kids that think feigning laugh makes them look smart.
4. A comedian? More like a complete joke. Pulling out the 'opinion card' from elementary school, how adorable. The whole "opinions can't be wrong" is a lie taught in elementary school to reduce arbitrary bullying and the like. Your opinion is stupid because it's poorly constructed and ridden with fallacies. It's no better than a fucking donkey acting like he knows rocket science. Not only that, but even in your poor reasoning, you are a hypocrite for criticizing the reviewer but getting all butthurt and defensive when people criticize yours when you are of the naive belief that "opinions can't be wrong".
5. The fact that you searched up wikipedia and thought you found something that resembles my arguments erroneously because you lack reading comprehension only caters to my argument. There's 3 unmistakable examples of you being incompetent when it comes to reading. It's funny because everyone else but you seems able to see them, but that's because in your own little mind, you like to fancy yourself you're intellectual, sarcastic kid from tv. Everyone else sees why you're a joke.
6. Keep telling yourself that. Copying you? All you're doing is using preconceived, stereotyped phrases by the "intellectual" archetype as portrayed by the media, which kids like you try their hardest to imitate in order to give out an impression. My favorite word is actually delusional, and that's exactly what you are besides the epitome of stupid. As for your blank statement (you apparently lack the acumen to understand what a blank statement is), it humors me and everyone else how desperate you are to sound smart by acting like you have the clairvoyance to make genetic readings. If you're trying to impress anybody, try to not use fallacies in your argument. It's also particularly funny how you use ellipses incorrectly in a sentence where you tell me to learn English.
All I'm doing is arguing with an idiot. This was won since the first post I made, you're just pretending it's not because it makes you feel better. As I said, you're a lost cause. However, people (including myself) seem to love it when I pan idiots (plethora) like you.
Can't wait to see how stupid is your next response as well.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:46 am
Holy shit at the number of comments here. Its sad that this kind of crap is so popular
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:55 am
PISSED FANBOYS ATTACK
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:58 am
OH AND FANGIRLS
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:59 am
Alright.
I love Avenged Sevenfold, and I've met some fans that are great people, fun to be around and are just over all awesome. But then I see things like this and it makes me a little sad.
I'm all for sticking up for your favorite band and stating your opinion and all that jazz, but if you're going to do so, at least use proper grammar, have a decent arguement, and don't just throw in a bunch of insults because you're angry. It makes us (the fans), and honestly the band as well, look bad.
I can understand people getting upset about the whole "Fiction" portion of the review because hey, I'll admit at first I was a little peeved but you can't let things like that get under your skin. I don't know the band or anything about their personalities or their thought processes or whatever, but I'm guessing none of them would flip shit over this. (If they had, I think they would have sent an e-mail to the site by now.) I remember reading an interview once where Syn talks about people disliking the band and saying it's okay. And just saying, not everyone's gunna like Avenged Sevenfold and you can't force them to.
Now, before I get all the "U RN'T A REAL FAN U TRAITER BITCH!!!!!" messages, I have been listening to Avenged Sevenfold since I was ten or elven, so about six or seven years, and I love them, they are my favorite band. But you know what? I don't LOOOOVE every song they've ever put out just becase it's by them. There are some songs I'm not a big fan of, and there are some I could listen to over and over.
Also, I do look up to and have respect for the whole band, but I'm not going to try and make them seem like some kind of gods, because hey, they fuck up some times. Making mistakes and having flaws just makes them human, and what it basically all comes down to is being smart enough to make your own decisions, not try and replicate the actions of the person you look up to in the hopes that maybe you'll turn out just like them.
Now that I've written a short novel I'm gunna shut my face and hope I made some sense because I'm over tired. I tried not to step on any toes, but uh… That doesn't seem quite possible. Everyone here seems very angry.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:42 am
Fucking thank you dude. All these little morons getting their panties in a bunch thinking they're proving something other than them being irreparably stupid by relentlessly bitching at a negative review are making us all look bad.
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:42 am
lol thank you. I"ve been a fan since their first album, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. I don't like all songs on there. I don't like every song on Waking the Fallen, I don't like every song on City of Evil, and I don't like every song on Avenged Sevenfold. Plus this is just a person's opinion; not everyone has to agree but for the author of this article to respect you, you've got to respect him.
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Aanchel replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Thank God some people are seeing sense. I was commenting on this article yesterday and it really astounded me how A7X fans were (and still are) acting. There is no way that people are going to listen to them if they act in such a vulgar and crude manner and don't even use simple and proper punctuation and/or grammar.
Personally, I am an A7X fan and I did comment earlier, but because I decided to write in a civil way, I was granted a polite response and was more respected than people who just fling insults at people that they don't personally know.
I've said this multiple times on this page but it really shames me to be an A7X fan when I see some other people completely tarnish that through their inappropriate and unfair behaviour.
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July 28th, 2010 at 4:26 am
"The vocals are heavily doctored. There are moments in “Fiction” M. Shadows slurs the lyrics. At one point, the slur is so nasal and so over-the-top, it would be funny if it wasn’t so terribly pathetic.This song is the album’s full on train wreck. Hardly the fitting tribute the band wanted for The Rev."
Lol thats the Rev on fiction… Thats why it sounds nasal and almost mumbling. You just dont get it do you!
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July 28th, 2010 at 4:27 am
Hey jen or whore whatever your name is… Who the fuck said anything about idolizing Jimmy the rev??? who said anything about that you stupid skank?? Nobody.. we loved there music… we dont FACE THE WEST AND PRAISE JIMMY 7 times a day becuz he's a God… How old are you to laugh at somebody who died wether or not they were a good person… your disgusting.. and if you think about it you seem to see yourself as a person to worship because of your words you have spoken to these fans…
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:44 am
In her defense, I don't recall her laughing at his death. I don't think she's really an Avenged Sevenfold fan. And you don't know her yet you call her a whore? I read that she's married to one of the guys on here and has a kid. Please stop with the name-calling. YOU look immature.
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
YOU are one of the RIDICULOUS fans that make A7X and the SANE fans look BAD. Poor grammar, name calling. People like you put the halfway decent fans and the band to shame. For your information, she wasn't mocking the Revs death. Nobody was. And the whole "idolizing" discussion was settled. You can idolize whoever you want, whether they were druggies or not. She said in a pompous way that she didn't like Fiction, but she never said anything about his death. She may not be an Avenged fan, but seriously, must you dwell on it? Who really cares anyways? You are the really immature one in this case…
Pathetic..
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July 28th, 2010 at 4:29 am
I have been a fan of Avenged since day 1 and they are my favourite band of all time and I can honestly say this album is as good as City of Evil. I can see how fans can get upset especially after loosing the rev,when they read a review like this, but honestly everyone has there own opinion. Neither this review or Avenged sevenfold fan comments are wrong. I do however think some younger A7X fans need to think before they type.
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July 28th, 2010 at 4:36 am
Note this is the worst review I have seen yet, you clearly no nothing about the band and what they have been going through and the comments about the rev's singing on FICTION, IF and I mean IF you knew anything about Avenged Sevenfold and the Rev you would know that was his singing style, go listen to Pinkly Smooth and quit review albums you know nothing about.
fail.
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Brandy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Notice how he realized that and fixed it later on. This has been addressed; He knows it was Jimmy now.
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July 28th, 2010 at 6:00 am
Wow… Just, wow. There's not a whole hell of a lot that can be said that hasn't already been made known. I'm going to keep my two-cents short, sweet, and to the point.
Do I agree with the review Mr. Anderson wrote? No. I do disagree with it, but my opinion is bias because I am a big A7X fan. This does not mean I am going to round up my posse and nail him to a cross because he gave the album a bad review. I respect his opinion and I have to respect the fact that he has taken all of backlash with a grain of salt. That takes a shitload of levelheadedness and for that, he deserves a freaking medal. So does all the staff for that matter. It speaks volumes that they are taking the time to interact with the commenters, even if a majority of the comments are derogatory towards them.
A lot of the criticism that this review and the staff have gotten boils down to respect. Fans feel Mr. Anderson should have respect for the album and for The Rev and the song "Fiction", but why do these fans have no respect for him? The point is, you have to give respect to get it in return. Could Mr. Anderson have been more respectful? Probably, but it is his defense, not a lot of the A7X fans have been respectful to him. It is times like these I am both proud and ashamed to be an A7X fan because the actions of many overpower the actions of others. I will defend A7X like no other, but as a fan, it is important to know that the opinions of others should be respected even if they do not match my own.
In the end, no one is perfect, nor should that come as a surprise to anyone. Nor should someone's opinion outweigh another's. Just try putting yourself in the other side's shoes and ask yourself how you would react in the same situation. You might be surprised at what you find out.
That's my opinion, whether you like it or not. And now that my point has been drawn out way more than first planned, I think I shall escort myself over to HIM's "Screamworks" review because I too am fond of that band…
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July 28th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Hi Keith. I have one question, and don't take this the wrong way, I'm just curious.
Did you not like this album because there was a lack of fast paced songs? Because you did say in your conclusion "Now the album does have its moments. “Nightmare”, “Natural Born Killer”, and “God Hates Us”" Which we all know are the faster songs."
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:54 am
@Phil: For the reasons I stated above. The songs in this album didn't have the writing of previous efforts. I also think the sound-alike songs were way too close to the other songs I noted above to be allowed in by the producer. The album wasn't the quality I had expected from the band.
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
dude, its a reply, he can see its at him. Dont post at him like its a fucking twitter, its degrading and makes yo look stupid.
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
See, you are bashing Keith and he did absolutely nothing wrong. It would be nice if you would actually use decent grammar and not make it sound like you're from a ghetto or something.
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Uradumbasswasblocked replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
how about you not be a racist motherfucker saying im black or something when i am actually using correct grammar, if you mean im not capitalizing my letters then im sorry…that makes you a dumbass and a racist for replying in that way by trying to discredit me because of my race and because i am not capitalizing. Go back to your trailer and fuck kieth for all i care
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Oh wow, I am SO terrified, you are calling me a racist motherfucker. Nice try, but you haven't phased me. At least I am not the dumbass in this situation.
For that matter, I doubt you even know what a "ghetto" is or means, for you simply are directing it right to racism. And did I say anything about your race? No, I didn't. Anyways, CARRY ON NOW.
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July 28th, 2010 at 7:48 am
SOME WILD FANBOYS APPEAR
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July 28th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Hey boys and girls. And now it's time for things we can learn from fans. Today we learned that Mr. Keith is completely expendable. He should become paralyzed so he can't support his family any longer. We also learn that today's young men hate women. They hate women so much, they will use any opportunity to say the foulest things to a woman they disagree with. Yay kids!
We will also learn that Mr. Keith doesn't know what it means to be a fan. He thought being a fan was following along with somebody's work and collecting all of their albums. No, Mr. Keith, No! A fan is somebody who is obsessed and knows everything about a band, including how many ear hairs they all have. Mr. Keith cannot call himself a fan of any band because he only likes their music. Bad, Mr. Keith, bad.
Finally, we learn that Mr. Keith can't play with everyone else like they play with him. He's special. He has job. Everyone say "job". People with jobs need your support because they don't understand what's important in life. Maybe one day Mr. Keith will stop working for The Man and live in a box. That would be so cool.
Bye bye kids!
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July 28th, 2010 at 7:56 am
You will get assasinated Keith. Well miss you.
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:07 am
mozil,
Miss Keith? Shhh, I doubt it. He was a lazy, good for nothing bu….oh, hey Keith, you're still here? How's it going man?
HAHAHAHA
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Mozil, I love you man. Hahahahaha.
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July 28th, 2010 at 9:02 am
I'm done commenting, I think. If I want to waste my time, I'll go talk to a wall – I'd get virtually the same results, only the wall wouldn't call me a "cum dumpster scumbag" in return (which was quite original, I must say). Keith, is a scumbag similar to a doucehbag?
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:09 am
booo, pretty lady is leaving.
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Pretty lady is too busy. Plus we have a life and a kid….Ha Ha Ha!
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Swilly replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I think the difference is i timing. One's before, one's after.
Yeah, it's caustic in here.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Pseudo-intellectuals talking to anything is not good. Saving people your inane pretenses and talking to a wall instead is probably a lot more productive, so I commend you for that.
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July 28th, 2010 at 11:22 am
First!
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July 28th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I liked the album, the slur vocals they put in was bad decision, but the other part that the Rev sang (Let it burn!!!) was pretty good?
Also what did you think of the song "Save Me" I thought it was a very very good song.
The Album itself was probably their best, not as fun as the self titled but just a hair better lyricaly than City of Evil. Lots of songs about war though :L
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Hey guys ive been reading all your comments and ive got to say i am really shocked and disgusted on how easily you joke about a man's death. If you dont like the album? Fine just go on with your life without listening to it and nobody's going to complain. This guys were absolute best friends from the age of 10. If you had a friend who you grew up with and then worked with and then he suddenly died, you would want people to look at his or her life and appreciate the good he or she had done. So think about that when laughing at fiction, the song which he wrote three days before his death. I admit Jimmy had some problems, he took drugs and drank a lot but this doesn't mean he's a freak! I think the rev had many problems in his life which he struggled coping with. If you watch the all excess DVD he says that Valary had looked after him for a long time. I think he could of been suffering with depression or a mild form of a mental illness and all his crazy things he did were ways to stop him from being bored. People idolize the rev for his musicality of writing music, his drum skill and his wacky personality and Jimmy was a genius. If you look carefully you can find videos of the rev at school where his drum teacher talks about how he had written all this drum parts down from a Metallica song even though he hadn't had any lessons. What was amazing about him was that he used many influences from a variety of genres and put so much passion into his music which I think is the key thing to make great music. If there's no passion then you may as well make a computer write it for you. His voice was amazing. I know some people will disagree and in fact when I first heard his voice I didn't know what to think of it but I now love it because it has such a pure tone to it. I personally love this album and I get extremely annoyed when people have a go at a7x because "they're not metal". Just go away! I was watching this video once called "Why avenged sevenfold suck" and he didn't know what the hell he was going on about. His first reason was "Avenged Sevenfold is not metal". Who cares? I don't care what it is along as its got passion and soul. I also hate it when people scream FANBOY as soon as anyone makes a valid point just so they can use an excuse not to take any notice of what they said. A7X has a big and loyal fan base which some how you haters have seen as a negative thing. Oh and if you think that I don't know anything about music, well you're wrong. I play bass, drums, piano, i sing and play the clarinet (although I hate playing that thing.) Also I don't "play" them I actually play them properly not like others who can play 3 chords or a simple beat and say they can play the instrument. I wont bothered saying what grades I've got because I don't know what the equivalent is in America. Ooh and I forgot to mention that I'm studying at the RNCM next year. I think the album is absolutely incredible and is an amazing tribute to the rev. It's different to the other albums and that's good. Who wants to listen to albums that all sound the same. If it sounded just like city of evil it would just be average because we would have heard it before. So there you go I've done my rant and I'm sorry if some of words don't make sense as when I get frustrated my thought processing rushes and crazy. Hopefully you haters will now see the damage you've done. Think about what you write next time douches and for all you haters just dont say anything otherwise you deserve to go to hell because you wont see Jimmy there.
Much love
Chris
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Ever heard of paragraphs?
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Wow. All for attention. Completely bias review, very arrogant reviewer. Uses well worded sentences and big words to make it seem he knows what he's talking about. No one is expecting you to become obsessed with the band, but how about finding out a little about them before doing a review about an album of theirs? I like the band, and I am not an obsessed fan. Not every song on this record is gold, but some are more than platinum. You seem to know nothing about music, other than you have listened to a lot of it, and with tastes including Slayer and Hatebreed, obviously not much with any talent. Please keep programming computers and acting like a hard ass online, where everyone knows it counts. Did you know that the harder you type, the more what you bash hurts the reader? I'm crying so hard right now… oh gosh it hurts so much. Prick.
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
omg!!! I am sorry but this is the worst rewiev I have ever read
I think it is the best release of 2010 by far :/ This album is pure awesomenes !!!!
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July 28th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
PS.: @ Keith Richardson you wanted it, right?
Now you have a lot off comments. WOW.
"Most of the lyrics were rewritten, drummer Mike Portnoy (of the band Dream Theatre) was brought in to do the Rev’s in-theory inimitable parts, producer Mike Elizondo (Dr. Dre, Eminem, Regina Spektor) stayed on to help everyone rise to the now-transcendent occasion."
No, Mike just RECORDED DRUMMS. OMG you re really pretender. Its so sad.
And you know what is the most funny? I have read about 10 rewiev and ONLY your text is negative. SO ..
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Melissa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Oh come on, if you're going to insult the man at least get his name right, have some insulting manners. I must also tell you that this isn't the only negative review for this album. There are a total of 2 reviews that are not so hot on this album.
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July 28th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Ok i'm a big avenged fan I even got a death bat tat…. But first off all you other a7x fans are way too damn dramatic!! Just cause someone says its a bad album you get all up in arms thinking everyone should love avenged.. What i think of the album it flat out sucks!! I didn't really like the last album as much but now i love it compared to this one..And i think Shadows can not sing anymore it was horrible, and now to find out they put a drinkin drugged up rev on here is a disgrace! They fucked up big time on this album..So now lets see i get the hate comments from childish fans..
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Some fan you are. And there is no need to call me childish, because I am a 37 year old that can at least spell a lot better than you. You must not understand the meaning of this album at all. What did you expect? Another Waking The Fallen or City Of Evil? Because that will never happen. Do you even know that The Rev is dead? It seems like you have no idea at all. For all I know you may not have even listened to the record, and instead you are just going by what has been said on here. This is supposed to be a tribute album, not some album that was supposed to please the critics and the fans, especially the pompous, whiny, pessimistic ones like you.
And Shadows singing sounds exactly the same like it did on the S/T. What is the difference? Please point that out to me, if you can. Enlighten me if you could!
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
I'm just curious myself about something. Why is a 37 year old woman ranting over an album review during work hours? Shouldn't you be doing the normal grind of everyday life? Just the mere fact that a 37 year old woman is on here acting like a child is totally hilarious. If I were in the band and knew my fan base was full of pre-pubescent ass wipes and old broads that have nothing better to do than sit on the internet and bitch about a review, I would be embarrassed.
Oh and by the way, if your lucky enough to have a boyfriend, husband or "partner" I am more than sure that they will want you to shave your mustache.
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
I am a stay-at-home mother, thank you very much, and I do have a husband, who happens to be a lawyer, not that you would give two fucks anyways. You must also have much time on your hands if you are able to come on here and bitch about me acting like a child on the review. I can bitch, whine, and complain as much as I want. And if you actually were smart you wouldn't give two shits.
This is why life is so interesting; it is made up of many pompus assholes that think they can judge people and make ASSuptions about others.
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Well then, welcome to the family. You are now surrounded by assholes.
So you are a stay at home mom who's husband is a lawyer huh? Wow, he must be really proud of you. He married a home maker that sits on her ass all day looking at websites and bitching about bad reviews reviews of a band.
I can just hear it now: Mommy, mommy can you come fix me food? Not now honey, I'm waxing my mustache and trolling for new Avenged Sevenfold reviews.
Look at it this way, at least you can multi-task.
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Owen.C replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Sorry but I just don't believe you.
I'm not going to bitch about you, but I just disagree with pretty much everything you said there lol.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Wow, I come in here for a review and to see what others think of the album via comments and I get about 500 screen pages of bickering. I have nothing to add here except a suggestion that many of you get over yourselves. It's a review; you're not required to like it, agree with it, or allow it to dictate your trending fancies. If you found other reviews more to your liking, hey guess what? Win for you! But the name-calling and venom-soaked quips… man… that's just not right.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Preach it brotha!
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Lunch break. Work is really busy today. I am going to be too tired tonight to write up a complete reversal of my review where I retract everything and kiss ass to everyone who broke curfew to comment. Besides, my DVR is full of Mary Tyler Moore reruns I want to catch up on. Anyway, I'll answer questions.
1. We already established I am not a prick, but a douchebag. If you are going to spew vitriol, please be accurate when you aim.
2. I apologize for using "well worded sentences and big words". It's a habit I formed early on in life and can't seem to break in spite of my time on the Internet, which seems to retard a lot of brains. I'm sure there are other review sites out there you can understand.
3. "Save Me" was an okay song. It had a power metal sound to it, ala Dream Theater. I kind of grew out of that style a few years ago, so it's not my thing. Yes, I just gave you all another reason to hate me.
4. You are correct. I am a pretender. I actually never listen to music. My last.fm account was created for me by a program I wrote and populated with false API data so I could pass myself off as a fan of music so I could write reviews for free just to make people angry. And look–it worked!
5. You are also correct in that I know nothing of music. I can't even remember how to skip tracks on my car's CD player.
Now the big announcement:
I do have time for one retraction. I hereby rescind my claim to be an Avenged Sevenfold fan. Apparently my grasp of the word "fan" and the reality of the band's actual fans are two different things. I will no longer think by liking this band's previous works it makes me anywhere near equal to what it takes to be a fan. In the future, I will not support this band in any way nor will buy tickets, recommend them to friends, or even listen to the albums I already own. I will stop expressing any opinion about Avenged Sevenfold, will never again type "A7X" because I haven't earned the right to, and I will never compare any other musicians to this band. I am not worthy enough to even step foot into another mall. I promise you from now on, I will avoid anything to do with Avenged Sevenfold. You don't have to worry anymore and can sleep well tonight knowing you have represented a sub-culture so well.
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
good! now im satisfied, did ur girlfriend jen tell you to do that with her whip of fury?
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Sam replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Not you you ever were a "fan" to begin with.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Jesus christ dude, don't say that. There's plenty of idiots for every fanbase. It just happens that A7x's is bigger. I was glad to see that we have a 'fan' daring to say something that is not completely ass-kissing towards the band for once.
Perhaps you should have spent less time speculating about how the album was recorded because that seems to be the most objectionable thing about your review.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
ok this review of the album is horrible and i think its biased, but i do have to say its the most well put together negative review ive seen so far. at least its not filled with hundreds of typos and the reviewers are actively responding to posts and updating mistakes.
havnt been a big fan of your reviews though =/
oh well, different tastes i guess.
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Jen replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Let's be honest, Ryan. You haven't read any other reviews on this site. I checked.
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Uradumbass replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
wow ur a CREEPY cum dumpster!
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
*clears throat*
SOMEONE GOT OWNED!
You have no clue how hard I laughed when I read that. lol
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Lee replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Little do these people know, we see everything. Muhahahahaha!
We are like the great OZ!
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
That. Just. Happened.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
This just made my day.
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Jen replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
And people think proxies hide what they're doing. haha Think again.
Furthermore the majority of the Avenged Sevenfold fans haven't looked at anything else other than this review (except for the staff page). And a lot of them are changing their names and posting as other people. lol
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Lee Tran replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Jen, you're my hero.
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Ryan replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:47 am
lol although i hadn't posted any comments on this site before this.
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Ryan replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:44 am
i moved two weeks ago and got a new computer so my IP address changed
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Quickly on bias and pirating, not A7X (crap I didn't mean to mention them again):
1. Bias: yes, I admit to writing with bias. I don't know what came over me. I think it was something called opinion. I know, opinion doesn't belong in reviews. I'll try and make sure every review I do in the future is only a track listing and a report of the volume at which I listened to it.
2. Pirating: we are all pirates here. Lee has never been in contact with any record companies and no bands ever submit here directly. The coolest thing about running a site like this is how much money we spend to advertise the fact we pirate music. We would call the FBI directly and have them raid our corporate offices, but where is the fun in that. We want to spend years working hard and building this site up so that the RIAA will swoop in and shut it down, making all of the work meaningless. Guilty as charged.
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smartladay replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Wait, i thought you were done. I thought you actually had the brain capacity to quit this argument while you couldn't look like any more of a fuckup. As for the biased portion of this, once again, idiotic statement, an opinion and a bias, are two different things. YOU ARE BIASED. You like your trailer trash, screamo, headbanging, brain cell losing, cumdumping music, and this album is not about what you are into. Go take some classes in english, maybe then you can tell the difference between a bias and an opinion. Maybe then you can come back to this site and realize how wrong, ugly, and stupid you really are and make a review that is actually substantial and credible. In the meantime, I will miss arguing with a 60 year old dumbass that I hope will become paraylzed…that is if he doesn't take that english class ;]
p.s. the fact that you headbang to your retarded screamo music explains the reason you are so stupid. Quit losing so many brain cells its not good for you.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Keith can't listen to "screamo"! He has no hair, let alone long, black, floppy hair which drapes over one eye! Silly goose.
If you're going to to attack other genres of music, at least name them correctly, please. Thanks for commenting.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
You're right in there being a difference between opinions and bias. For example you just expressed your opinions in a completely unbiased way. I admire that. Opinions and bias have nothing to do with each other and I'm sorry for confusing them in such a ham-fisted way.
I will continue listening to my 60-year-old white trash music. I'm under-qualified to review such a fine album from the the band-who-will-not-be-named, who have replaced all other bands in rock and roll history as the greatest band ever. I'm glad I have a few crappy bands I can turn to since I don't have a massive hole in my broken life to be filled with celebrity greatness. Maybe one day I can find a great band that makes me cry when I hear one of their songs. And you're right, screamo will rot the brain. I lost a good 50 IQ points on Waking the Fallen.
I appreciate your academic advice and will take it under advisement as many universities allow senior citizens to go for free.
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Phil replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Plus you're "Wrong, ugly and stupid" 'cause you know, that's important to listening to music.
I'm ashamed and embarrassed that I like the same music as these juvenile fans.
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smartladay replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
anthony: what genre of music did i name incorrectly? im jw…
phil: where are you in this world? gosh…go analyze further please…if i said that was important maybe youd have a good response,but since i didnt you just look stupid. You, Keith, and cumpdumping jen should go form your own cult of idiotic beings and live in a world filled with the rejects of society and personal fantasies of looking normal.
keith: Nobody is under-qualified to give an opinion. I am aware that is all you did, but to do it in such a rude and sarcastic way, in which you did, really triggers people to use vulgarity towards you. To victimize yourself after being the promoter of the drama that ensued on this site is completely wrong and these are the reasons you have created hate and enemies. Had you thought twice about what you said, you wouldn't make people angry, unless you did this purposely. Same with jen, and all of the other haters on this site. I am an avenged fan, not a huge one, but still enough of a fan to tell you that posting an insulting review will result in you getting comments filled with hate and personal attacks, just like mine =]. As you say your goodbyes, your comments keep flowing in. You look like you want more drama. Well, you want more, you got it ;]
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Phil replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 5:58 am
Instead of calling someone you don't even know a "Cum dumpster" why don't you debate like an adult?
Calling someone "Wrong, ugly and stupid" just makes YOU look stupid.
We all have our say, just be mature about it.
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smartladay replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Dude! Phil! Go stick your head in a giant hole where it belongs! What is the point of debating like an adult when these people are doing the opposite of that as well?!! Why is it your business who I insult anyways? I didn't insult you now did I?…
I feel bad for you…you have to defend the absolute rudest person I have seen on a review site. Congrats! Who's the stupid one now? (Please….that is a rhetorical question)
And no, it doesn't, it all depends on the context in which it is said. The smartest guy in the world has an insult. Maturity is perception, I just can't live up to your standards.
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Luke Amos replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 12:12 am
When I get down, I pick random comments on this review to read. Then I laugh and am happy again.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Keith
I have to admit, even as an A7X fan, you crack me up. Props to you for handling the rabid fans with humor. I actually laughed out loud a few times. I can understand your distaste of the album, everyone has their own thing. But I implore you to give the album a few more spins. Sometimes A7X takes a bit to fully digest. The self titled album did for me and the same can be said for Nightmare.
As for the small minority of Avenged fans that acted disgracefully, well, chalk that up to Death Bat News and don't hold that against the band or even the fan base in general. Even I, a huge fan of the band, have a problem with the website and some of the fans there. I mean Christ, the site is becoming a marketing site for all things Avenged. Some of the fans have taken to buying multiple delux packages (Book of Nightmares) at $60 a pop…on top of buying it on itunes…all in an effort to get the band to #1. How much sense does that make? What the hell are they going to do with 2, 3 and 4 copies of the album? That alone should clue you into to the type of mentality you delt with here. So on behalf of Avenged fans 21-45 (I am an old fucker)…I apologize.
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Alyssa replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
The bands manager, Larry Jacobson, and even the band themselves are saying that. If you even took the time to read the news, that is. DBN is just passing everything on. I don't understand what people are going to do with 3, 4, 5, or more records, but thats them. Let them buy as many as they want, even if they don't want to get the band to number one. Yes, there are some pricks on that site, but most of them are the little fangirls and boys that everybody hates. I think the number of knowlegable people outweighs the others. I think the website is awesome and great for news, and all what DBN is doing is passing on the news, and not being a marketing site. If you think that DBN is becoming a marketing site, why don't you tell that to A7Xfans.com and all of the other noted fansites? Because they are doing the same exact thing.
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snuffy replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Jacobson has encouraged fans to buy multiple sets of Book of Death? Really? Because that is not what I read. What I read is "A7X fans: Suprise the world with a #1" Telling an A7X fan to buy their new album is like telling someone "don't forget to hold your breath when you go under water". Even if he did, it would be excusable…after all…thats what he gets paid to do. Pretty sure that's in the job description of a band manager.
Band manager Rule #1: Promote the band as much, where ever and when ever possible.
Head over to Mike Portnoy's website and check it out, you can barely find a link to buy anything Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment or anything MP related.
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July 28th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Remind me to never let my kids shop at Hot Topic. Apparently it rots the brain.
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July 28th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
So, ladies and gentlemen, as the story ends our hero URADUMBASS was killed by Kieth the lonely bald dragon and his legion of new reviewers in a long lengthy battle which involved sarcasm, namecalling and well, pirating (which kieth claims was never done on his part). They decided they could not take the fighting any more personally and used their evil metallic sword of Cumdumpsalot and with a few keystrokes they won the battle and Uradumbass was forever forbidden from the evil server of newreviewsome.
But Uradumbass has a huge message for all of you. My fans, my foes, and all you others who just dont give a fuck.
They will make it look like they won the battle, hell they will probably delete ALL my comments that make me look like they argued well and just make me look like a dumbass, the fox news way. But no worries, i will try to make sure all of you know how this ended. This review, in the end was horrible and biased especially put next to buckcherry. I was immature, but also didnt know a middle aged bald man could be more than myself. (i just keep saying bald cuz its fun to say).
You are not a fan so when you make claim to be it makes you pathetically craving attention and im sure you were hoping for this to happen because you have nothing better to do. So dont mislead other fans to think its terrible because it isnt, only to those who are not part of an avenged sevenfold fanbase would think so, unless they went back to screamo which im sure youd want to happen.
Im done, but not because i lost, but because cum dumpster and the balding dragon excommunicated me from ever stepping foot on this site again. Bye ladies and gentlement, your knight hath been slain.
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Matt replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
And what do you know…you're here and so are your comments. You're obviously blocked.
DELUSIONAL NUTJOB
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Uradumbasswasblocked replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 12:41 am
ya cuz i used a proxy dumbfuck
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Matt replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 9:14 am
How about those comments, dumbfuck? Looks like they're still here. It's obviously a big fucking conspiracy to get rid of you.
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smartladay replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Hey matt, you had the same comment. Like I said earlier, go stick your head in a supermassive black hole (jens vagina) where it belongs.
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Jen replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
If you have a personal issue with me, how about you email me (jen@thenewreview.net) and we'll discuss this like grown ups. Unless, of course, you aren't one.
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smartladay replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
What is there to discuss? How annoying you are? I am perfectly fine here, thanks for the offer.
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July 28th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Ok, I have had my fill of Avenged Sevenfold guano. You guys have your fun because I (we) have bigger fish to fry.
Take care.
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Matt replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Guano…HAHA That is PRICELESS. It does seem to be up to our necks in bat shit around here.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I hope that was a pun. Haha.
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July 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
"All of the songs are roughly the same length and around the two-third mark they turn into a barrage of rhythm, tempo, melody, and key changes."
If you've ever adventured enough to take a few courses in elementary music theory you'll find that rhythm, tempo, melody, and key changes are essential for progression – aka making something 'interesting' – If you distaste those things so bitterly, music review should not be a hobby of yours, Mr. Anderson.
"Instead the songs become disjointed as if all of the elements were haphazardly pasted together."
I realize you can't fit examples of the sheet music into your review; but to claim there is no rhythmical/melodic continuity (Disjoint sets) is quite the stretch. Again, this falls under a personal deficit of musical knowledge. You might want to actually review the sheet music – what you hear is trivial and can sound confusing or 'disjointed' if you can't wrap your head around the oh so confusing 'barrage of rhythm, tempo, melody, and key changes."
I agree with the term 'fragmented' – I suppose if one likes an album to keep a linear direction, the diverse selections would be a detracting feature of the album. I suppose diversity is still hated in America.
I noticed you mention the album's songs are roughly the same length to the 'average length' as if it were a bad thing. do the math again and look at your beloved 'City of Evil' songlist. *sigh* in fact look at Metallica's Black album too, since you mentioned a track from it.
and on the topic of the Rev's 'pathetic' singing…
I'd listen to it looped for eternity than listen to someone reading aloud this poor and superficial review.
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Keith Anderson replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
I'm not sure how to respond to this as there is no death threat or foul name-calling. You may not be a real fan, but whatever. Weird.
My point in saying the songs were all roughly the same length and the barrage of changes kicked in around the same time in each song was to stress most of the songs on the album were created from the same formula with very little difference. Once I started detecting this pattern in this particular album it didn't feel genuine to me, as if the producer was pulling from a playbook rather than the band making art, which by the way, is in the eye/ear of the beholder.
You do get props for having a real argument (except for the diversity in America comment). I don't get props for, as Steve posted above, speculating as to what went on in the studio. This is the last time I read too much into a press release. Hopefully you will return to this site for more musical theory discourse, wine, cheese, and whine.
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Vallance replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Honestly, Now that I think about it…'Buried Alive' sounds too damn close to the rhythmical/melodic phrases from 'Ride the Lightning'… shame on them.
Anyhow, maybe it does seem formulaic in some respects. Eye of the beholder and what not.
I can't say I'm some hardcoar fan with over 9,000 picks signed by them!!!111…but I do like them. They seem much closer to musicians than just music 'artists' rushed in some studio…but who knows for sure.
The diversity comment was all opinion and mostly me being cheeky
On the typical rambling side-note, I honestly did like fiction , on a purely tonal/textural basis. Sounded like someone in trouble. Perhaps if one could remove the vocals and replace with a violin perhaps or guitar even – there are some interesting sounds to it. And placing a song like 'Fiction' next to 'God Hates Us' gives a nice little self-reflective counterpoint to the album! The only thumbs down I gave to 'Fiction' was the blatant use of the chords from Pachabel's canon in one phrase (the one with the female voice).
Speaking of wine and cheese, did you watch the Tour de France? Fuckin' Alberto Contador is a little weasel for taking advantage of Shleck's chain slip. Had to get that out there.
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Victor Saxlund replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Stick it to the man!
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July 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Everyone stop bitching and come together!! The metal community needs to come together unite!Tthere is so much against are genre of music. Who cares if you don't like a certain album still support the bands we are a dying breed! With that being said… Check out and listen to a awesome NJ death metal band call The Doomsday Prophecy!!! http://www.reverbnation.com/thedoomsdayprophecy
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July 28th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
I couldn't believe how far this went. People are starting to sound like a bunch of fangirl if you don't know what a fangirl is check out Stevens expertises and experiences with it on his comment. One of the dumbest term coined, ever.
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Steven replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
I don't know if you're bashing me or not, but I still lol'd.
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July 28th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Okay, so I might be late to join in on this.. thing, whatever this is. To me it seems like an argument between Avenged Sevenfold fans and people determind to make out a point that the album is rubbish and Avenged are the worst metal band ever blah blah blah. I'm not some hardcore Avenged Sevenfold fan, but I do like them, and reading this did make me feel physically sick. That drunken voice is James Owen Sullivan.. some of you may know him as The Rev, he died in December (for those that clearly need to read the news every once in a while, trust me there is a few idiots here that do need to) and I think he had one of the most unique voices I have ever heard, some of you may like it.. some may not, but to insult someone like that is clearly taking things a step too far, what ever gave you the right to insult someone who isn't even here to back themselves up? You are a coward. I'm done with the insulting, on with the album. I didn't think it was their greatest but it was a really good listen, I'm glad I bought it.. unlike the reviewer who based this review on samples, oops. It seems the reviewer (an "Avenged Sevenfold fan") seems to know of one album, City of Evil, how can you make yourself out to be a journalist if 1. You don't even know of the personal situation going on with the band 2. You don't even know of any of their other Work 3. You can't even tell instruments apart? is? Worst review I have ever seen in my life. I reckon if you have a manager he should reconsider who his journalists really are, and shame on the people have that shit a life they need to disrespect the dead to make them selves seem "cool". I'd advise anyone to avoid this website like the plague afternreadingthus
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July 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Spend a couple of hours relistening to this album over and over again and i have to say i disagree. I love Fiction and i think this album is one of their best efforts if not the best. Much love goes out to Avenged Sevenfold from Victor in Denmark
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Steve replied:
July 28th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I bought this album and It's really disappointing.
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July 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
I still cannot believe that the "women" that are fans of this band stand by and allow all the mudslinging from males against Jen. Listen ladies, if they say that about her, they will say it about you too. Its funny, when you’re against something or someone its tolerated and accepted.
Plus any guy that calls a woman a "cumdumpster" really? Is that the very best you can do? You come off sounding more like a uneducated idiot than you do a person with an opinion that should be listened to.
Get some better material.
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Lee I would like to say you probably took your avatar photo ten years ago, because you are probably a fatass 'cause you have been on the whole time. So get a life or something, yes I think its good you need to get off, but don't fry fishes fat ass thats the least you should be doing right now, go outside and smell the air.
Jen, I cannot express what words come up when I hear you speak. Honestly you wouldn't know the influence of what The Rev has done. I have been drumming for 4 years and he has been the one who influenced me. I don't give a fucking shit about Alice in Chains, Pantera, Slayer, Guns and Roses, or any other band. He influenced me, and I will remember him.
Anthony, get the fuck off wikipedia, dictionary and thesaurus.com, and go talk to a real girl. I think you have spent more time on Window's Grammar Corrector than speaking to a human being. I feel you, Josh, and Jen want to have a Devil's Three way.
Jen for you to feel pissed cause no one respects what you say, makes you look like a fucking cheap whore. No one cares for your feelings, like you shouldn't care for others. Let some idiots say their comments, be the bigger adult. Hayley Williams is way more sexier even if you add leprosy and down syndrome you egotistical harlot (pun intended).
To sum it up, Lee get a life, Anthony Get a life, Josh GSY, Jen get some self-esteem.
You all look like fucking little pre-schoolers.
I'm really tired, so right now it's best no one say anything about this comment, 'cause I will treat your ass so bad, a website will be named after your sorry ass(es).
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Steve replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 7:03 am
They look like preschoolers? You're the one who is talking massive shit and looking like an insecure child here "jerrry". Hmm, who is the bigger man? Wait a minute, you cant be a man, because your probably only have peach fuzz on those tiny balls of yours.
Wow, playing drums for 4 years? Who cares plus, I have underwear older than that. it's also funny that you called a woman a whore. That's is incredibly original coming from such a person of obvious deep intellect. It's always easy to pick on the girl because calling her a "whore", "slut" etc… makes you feel powerful and dominating. Would you call a black person you disagree with a racial slur? Probably not. Besides, everyone is ten foot tall on the internet.
Besides, your name is "Jerry." With a name like that, you couldn't get laid to save your life. "jerry" hahahaha "jerry" hahahaha "Jerry" come do me "jerry"hahaha "jerry" take out the dishes "jerry" do your homework!
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Garrett replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Oh, like you're 10-Feet Tall?
Face it, Steve, I bet you're the one who is the childish adolescent in this argument. Your grammar is absolutely despicable for someone who claims to have bigger balls than the others. How can you be a so-called, "man," when what you're doing is talking shit about Jerry with your piss-poor grammar?
Or, I might be wrong, and I take it you still live with your parents after what, 40 years? How's being a basement dweller? Did your parents drop out because their intelligence was equivalent of Tickle Me Elmo, therefore you were homeschooled by dropouts?
Jerry has a point, though. The staff should take in consideration that they (A7X) have put their efforts in an album that is an ultimate tribute to their drummer and good friend.
Plus, this album takes time to grow on you. That's a part of music. Some bands keep their style; others explore new things and experiment.
The ones that experiment take time to adjust to.
As for this site, I'll just use iTunes and Kerrang, thank you.
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Lee replied:
August 4th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Hey Garrett, what's up?
I will have to disagree with you on the "The staff should take in consideration that they (A7X) have put their efforts in an album that is an ultimate tribute to their drummer and good friend" comment. Actually, no we shouldn't. One thing that all of us do here at TNR is try to remove any bias (positive or negative) from the bands we are reviewing. As a fan, if Keith went into the review thinking, " I'm not going to give this album anything less than a 4 because the drummer died and this is the band's tribute to him" he would clearly not be doing his job as a reviewer. Yes we all have certain biases, but with this job you have to set those aside and critique the album at hand. An album review is based on the album itself…nothing more, nothing less. It's not based on how hard the band works, how long it took them to make the record, what label they are on, how nice they are or as in this case a integral member dying.
This album being a tribute is nice and all but to a person who may be listening to A7X for the first time, they could probably care less. They are listening as a first timer, a newbie, a virgin of sorts. So the meaning behind lyrics and/or songs may not be important to them.
Like I have said in other posts, fans lead with their hearts and not their heads, and I totally understand. But, as critics, we obviously cannot do that.
As for you not liking the site, that is completely fine. Where you find faults, others may flock and enjoy.
Thanks again for commenting.
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Jarrod replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Jerry,
Be a man…let's see a pic of you. You're either 15 or 50. I'll bet on it.
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Come on all Female Cum Dumpsters Young Punksters Male Bum Fuckers Sistas and Brothas can't we all Love 1 Another peace to the rev who is now Up Above Us.
IMO *OMG I just said IMO lol* NIGHTMARE is very similar to Waking The Fallen but with the skill they developed with COE. As far as Lyricism I never cared for this style. Very *Metal* to me. You want a great rock lyricist IMO OMG I just did it Again that would be Alex Turner of Arctic Monkeys fame or Gerad Way of MCR fame. But Shadows tone and melody arrangement is to me at least quite unique albeit the latter can sometimes be repetitive.
And I also think it's great that Shadows doesn't hide his sometimes poignant lyrics by *to me at least* Annoying Constant Screaming and uses it sparingly where it can make the most impact. To me if all you do is Scream and growl you are a parody. And seriously what the hell is with all sub genres within sub genres for Metal. Yes I DONE HEARD THEM ALL and that is why this music is dying.
At least that is My Opinion.
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Azriel replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:26 am
Really? I can't hear that comparison at all, Waking The Fallen is infinitely heavier. I would call "Nightmare" a combination of the higher points of Self-titled and the lower points of City Of Evil.
I was really looking forward to this album, I thought it was going to be really good. I guess it's like Summer: if you hype it up, it's usually not as good as you planned.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I stand by my WTF statement. *Second Heartbeat* prime example. Catchy upbeat dual guitars Fast *to me almost Punk like drumming at times* And for most of the song that Scott Weiland esque singing that is now Shadows style. And what at first sounds like random breakdowns in the songs. And stretching and exploring the limits of a song *ala later GNR. To me this is what they are still doing. I think some equate heavy to Screaming.
I'll grant you that he doesn't scream much anymore and I think that's cause he injured his throat. But *over prodction aside* I don't think the music is any less heavy when it's heavy. The *heaviness* is just dispersed throughout the songs. I think it gives a good balance to each song. And some of these songs if they were on WTF I think some would think they would be doper than some are giving these songs credit. And as for track AX *7* *coincidence?* I see that as a We Can Still Demolish this shit if we care to song. Doesn't fit in the album to me but the Hook is awesome.
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Steven replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Well, your "opinion" is stupid and please refrain from expressing your arbitrary bullshit in the near future.
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:52 am
I thought it was strange when the rev sang "i hope its worth it" im not going to lie it does sound like he is drunk but when he sang "Not that i could, or that i would, let it burn, under my skin, let it burn" sounded freaking amazing…tell me what you think and if you agree or not
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:52 am
And to any HATERS out there as to my comment about supposed Deep Lyrics hidden by almost incomprehensible growling and shrieking and *belching*? EAD If they are are that great let us hear them. Now you could cite how rap music has sometimes hard to hear or listen to lyrics but that is because they become part of the beat part of the music in how the structure of the words are broken down into rhythmic syllables.
In summation<–lol NIGHTMARE is Dope
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:56 am
But this website at least based off my 1 read of this review *Borat Voice* NOT SO MUCH
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July 29th, 2010 at 12:56 am
Let me start by saying I'm a huge A7X fan. I have bought all their albums since Waking the Fallen, I skipped Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. While I disagree with this review, as I loved Nightmare from start to finish aside from Tonight the World Dies, I think the way that some of the A7X fans have behaved over this review is absurd. Every album out there can't get raving reviews from everybody. Just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't change the way I feel about the record. I respect Keith's opinion and I expect him to respect mine. Also, Keith's comments here had me laughing out loud, he's an absolute riot. But, unfortunately I find Jen to be very disrespectful to the deceased, but at least she's pretty.
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July 29th, 2010 at 3:33 am
"Furthermore, stop treating "The Rev" like he’s some kind of hero. He was a person just like anyone else, except he essentially killed himself by means of an "acute polydrug intoxication due to combined effects of oxycodone (OxyContin), oxymorphone (a metabolite of oxycodone), diazepam (Valium), nordiazepam (a metabolization of diazepam) and alcohol." Maybe that’s why he sounded so bad when he was singing. And no, I’m not being insensitive. I love Layne Staley and feel he was an incredible musician, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was an addict. Any musician who can’t kick a habit in order to realize their full potential only cares about themselves. DO NOT IDOLIZE THOSE PEOPLE."
Agreed!
This review is pretty much dead on. I thought I'd pick it up because I thought the emotion of the Rev's passing would fuel this band to create an epic record. Unfortunately this record doesn't do it for me. A few bright spots but not many. “God Hates Us” is the best track on the album and had the entire album been like this a 5/5 would have been warranted but sadly the majority of the record falls short.
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Jamie replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:42 am
Admiring someone for their talent is completely different than admiring someone for the kind person that they were. Prime example: Micheal Jackson.
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Jarrod replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Michael Jackson was a sick bastard and shouldn't be admired anyway.
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arson714 replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:20 am
@Jamie – No, not really and you have chosen a terrible example to prove your point with. To better assist you in making your argument I have chosen former Dope/Static-X guitarist Tripp Eisen who can play a mean guitar but can't seem to keep his hands off 12 year old girls. Are you saying we should look past his pedophilia, which he was convicted of mind you, and respect him for his contributions to heavy music? I think not. You sir (or mam) are fucking moron. BOOMSHAKALAKA!
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Jamie replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 12:22 am
I'm not saying shit about someone's musical ablilites making up for the fact that they did shit they shouldn't have when they weren't on stage. But there are those people out there who do, in fact, do just that. Just thought I would clarify what I said earlier.
Hope you had fun flaunting your superiority complex, have a nice day.
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July 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am
The only reason people come on here and do nothing but insult others is because they don't have any valid points to make about the album. "OMG, like, this album is the best and you guys are so retarded." I challenge you idiots to start making points, rather than trashing people. It shows that you're lowlifes.
Oh and since most of you are posting as stupid made up names….be a real man or woman and use your real name. How about even link your facebook page or something so we can see just how much of a winner you are.
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July 29th, 2010 at 9:46 am
I don't know if this has been said before because I couldn't be bothered looking through ALL the comments, but I think the slurry line that Jimmy sings is him making fun of Shadows. Listen to his line and then Shadows' straight after it. We all know what Jimmy was like so it's possible, right?
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Jamie replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
That's what I thought as well!
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LDA replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I was thinking along the same lines, it's very possible that is what he was doing or trying to imitate what he thought Matt should sound like, seeing as the key he was singing in was too low for his naturally higher tone (as pointed out by other people).
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July 29th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Jesus guys, this reviewer is a fat ugly pissed off little man, most probably bashing Sevenfold because he is in someway not happy with his life, and maybe jealous of there sucess? Jen, I agree with you in some respects but The Rev would have wanted it to be on the album. If you see the lyrics, it was all written by him and its saying that he wants his friends to know that hes watching them, and he loves them all. Maybe he wasnt the best singer, but I am sure he wanted to make an effort at least.
You say your not being insensitive, but you can at least have a little respect for the guy, he was one of the best drummers to grace this earth, and no he was NOT and addict, if you have seen any of the official tribute videos, people describe him as being an amazing person, who was kind and caring. Also, he wrote a great deal of Sevenfolds best songs.
I'm only 14 years old, but I would give this album 3.5 / 5, its CERTAINLY not their best, I would say
City of Evil, and Waking the Fallen are, and this album comes 4th, after self titled, as Sounding the Seventh was them just trying to make a name, and lets face it the songs aren't amazing.
I'm honoured to have seen his last ever show, at Sonipshere festival
Cheers for reading this, I personally think Fiction is a great tribute, no matter what fat ugly reviewers say.
x
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Steven replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
You're an idiot. I'm a fan of this band, but people as stupid to you make the band and fanbase look retarded. If you're just a stupid 14 year old fangirl, why don't you just shut the hell up and let the grown-ups talk?
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July 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
^ youre gay
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
That was uncalled for. What I mean is you said it like it was a bad thing. ¬¬'
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mozil replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:22 am
it is
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Please remind me why. D:
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mozil replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 11:19 am
its so obvious i dont have to D:
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Alright mozil, just like it's not polite to insult girls because they are girls, same thing goes for people of other preferences. Even if you don't agree with it, you never know who you could be insulting.
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Thank Anthony. I was going to say something in that manner…but less polite.
If "that was so gay" was used it would be acceptable. But the whole "you're gay…" doesn't work for me. : /
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mozil replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:37 am
oh noes
somebody is sensivite about gayness 
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:22 am
Nah, I wouldn't say "sensitive" about it.
I just hate the whole machismo around the notion that "fags" couldn't possibly be into metal.
But I'll just stop now. >.>
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Jen replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:33 am
Um, Rob Halford.
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Way to make a point Jen!
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mozil replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm
i never said that fags couldt possibly be into metal lol Fags are just fags
And well I never liked Judas…
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July 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Oh, think about this: Why would Avenged Sevenfold make their whole album sound like "God Hates Us" if they're trying to make a tribute album to Jimmy? Are they supposed to ignore the fact that their best friend/bandmate/brother died, and suddenly just come out with a screamo album for no reason?
I'll admit, "God Hates Us" is one of the songs that complete the album, since it displays the emotion of ANGER, which A7x must've felt after Jimmy's death. But there's more emotions out there than anger, especially when it came to Jimmy's death. What about sadness? "Victim" and "Tonight the World Dies" fill that void. "So Far Away" is a good example of reflecting upon the missed opportunities the band had to tell Jimmy how much they loved him. "Fiction", while written prior to Jimmy's death, is a great "moving on" song.
So what I'm trying to say is that if the whole album was God Hates Us-ish, it would've been inappropriate to the theme that A7x was trying to get across, thus making it look like A7x are simply and only pissed off that their drummer died.
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July 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
did u not realize that it was the Rev that sang on Fiction not just M shadows. thats y its different sounding! look into the album before posting a shitty review!!!
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Steve replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
That's been established already. Did you read any of the 500 or so comments before yours?
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WTH? replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
no sry i have better things to do than read 500 comments about a shitty review. now if you done im going to listen to the "worst" Avenged Sevenfold album and the "worst song on the album"
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July 29th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
To any haters on this site Their Bi*ass*ed review is based on the groups they are into. After listening to the songs on this site of these groups it appears they can hardly sing and just scream and are afraid to show their true musicality in order to fit in to a certain mold or just can't really play all that well. If any of the reviewers want to argue their point then clue me in to a group that you think counteracts my argument. The Browning? are you fucking serious? Although the post from the member of the group about the name was Ridiculously Awesome.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Our Staff does not consist of simple, one-dimensional metalheads. I would like to think that we are all rather well-rounded in our musical tastes. Just becase we focus on heavier music on this site does not automatically mean our tastes are centered on screaming and breakdowns.
Just glancing at our Staff profiles, it is clearly evident that:
Jen enjoys Alice In Chains (not a scream to be found).
Daryn enjoys Alkaline Trio, Radiohead, and mentions that he listens to everything, including reggae.
Evan listens to Bush.
Kevin listens to Finch and Pink Floyd.
Keith listens to Clutch and Kansas.
I listen to Idiot Pilot, Matthew Good, and Sigur Ros to name a few.
Simply put, this is only a sample of the other diverse, musically inclined bands that our Staff consistently listens to. Just because we focus on a certain genre doesn't mean you can allude to us being tunnel-visioned musically.
If you so desperately need an example of a band that doesn't scream and thrives due to their unique style and competent musicianship, feel free to check out my latest review, Oceansize's Self Preserved While the Bodies Float Up.
Hopefully this helps you out and clears any confusion you may have. Thanks for the concern.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
I get your point and I'll look at that 1 group you mentioned but in a slight way you somewhat proved my point about the narrow scope of musical tastes of your staff. I know and listened if not still listen to just about all those groups mentioned which you linked to specific members of the staff. To me that says the Sum Of All Parts *Uber Awesome* but as individuals they are invested in a limited amount of musical influences.
Again, going through most of the groups you review on this site, almost all the singers sound like really bad Louie Armstrong impressions. OUCH And my point to all of this is Avenged Sevenfold do not fit this certain type of music you choose solely to review. They are way past that. And in no way do I think that aspect of their music makes them superior to other types of music.
And as to the disrespectful comments and accusations on the entire drug depression suicide mystery. Let's leave it at that, as a Mystery.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Like I said, I cannot speak for other members of the Staff but I am sure there is plenty more to their musical tastes than scream/scream/breakdown/scream music.
Louie Armstrong? I wasn't aware that he screamed his head off on a consistent basis. Believe me, Avenged Sevenfold may be varied musically, but we've had just as varied if not more varied group reviewed here. Their ability to dip into other genres is impressive but nothing surprising or shocking here.
Once again, I hope you understand. Thanks for the comments!
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am
On the Louie Armstrong. Just for clarification I did put BAD IMPRESSIONS. I think if he were alive today and young he would make a great Death Metal singer. He and Joe Cocker lol.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
If it makes you feel any better, I listen to so much indie rock and techno that it would make your head spin. I just chose not to put that on the site about hard rock and metal. Like Josh said, most of us are not straight up metalheads, man.
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Luke Amos replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:38 am
I'd have to agree with Anthony and Josh about not being straight up metalheads. I used to be but as I have matured my tastes have expanded greatly. Must be that whole "getting old" thing I've heard so much about.
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Lee Tran replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
MC, you act like those bands he listed are the ONLY other bands people on this site listen to.
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July 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
For the most part, I agree with the original review. I disliked Seventh trumpet, but I liked City of Evil, WTF and self-titled equally, and after hearing the single 'Nightmare', I had high hopes. However, for me, the album is also somewhat dissapointing, though the songs I'd say are "keepers" differ from that of the OP. For me, "Nightmare" and "Welcome to the Family" are the Gems of the track, while "Dangerline" and "Buried alive" are….listenable, I guess, though Buried Alive is very "metallica".
While "God hates us" seems t be most peoples favourites, it doesn't cut it for me. Admittedly, I never really liked Seventh Trumpet, but I like lots of the screaming on WTF; I love songs like Second Heartbeat, Remenissions, Unholy confessions, etc. "God Hates us" just doesn't feel very musical to me. It seems like it lacks inspiration, and sounds like it could have been done by any band. As for "Fiction", I'l be honest, and admit I really dislike the song. I was discussing the album with some friends, and they all feel the same way. The piano intro sounds surreal and well, plain weird, but not in a good way, the melody is unintresting, and the vocals dubious at some points (yes, I know the reasons behind it).
For all you people who say that disliking the album is disrespectful to the Rev, well, that's a rather naive view. I respect the Rev for the epic 3 previous albums, but I'm not going to pretend I liked something I didn't simply because of someones death. For me, the reason I listen to a band is about the music, not the members. I'm sorry he died, but I'm not going to get too emotional about it, because I didn't know the guy.
Yes, I am an A7X fan, I think I actually saw Jimmy in his last live performance, and I am seeing them again in November, because I love their music. However, I'm not so much a fan-boy that I will like whatever they produce, regardless of whether I think it's good. I can understand people do like it, and I can respect their opinion, but it's just not my cup of tea.
Oh, and some of the A7X fans in this thread ar the kind of people that give A7X fans a bad name….
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
You think some of us avenged seven fans give other avenged seven fans a bad name Fuck you motherfucking piece of shit youand your ass can go to ass rape town and shit. Just kidding. I can speak or type quite eloquently if needed. But for you to hate on this album if you liked COE *to me at least* is hard to fathom. And when you said Buried Alive sounds very Metallica after you mention your love of I Won't See You Tonight *part 1* made me laugh so hard I shot milk thru my nose. And yes it was convenient for this analogy that I was drinking milk. But you see my point. Wait. What was my point?
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
My mistake on the Won't See You Tonight Song. But that is on WTF
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CP91 replied:
July 29th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Heh, I thought you its was going to be another typical rant. No, I don't hate all A7X fans, but some guys here are being slightly jerkish (is that a word?).
Firstly, while not a huge fan, I like Metallica, (have seen 'em live). I was agreeing with the OP that I can see the metallica influence, but I don't think Buried Alive is one of the awful songs, I'd say it's average. However, I much prefer A7X style to metallicas, and compared to some of the masterpieces on COE, such as Blinded In Chains, or Bat country, I see it as a step backwards from what they're capable of. To me, those songs are the work of genius, while Buried Alive is simply average.
I don't really see the similaritys between Nightmare and COE.
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July 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Ok I've read through most of the comments and I thought Id give my 2 cents
First off I will say that I am not a A7X fan, I have heard a few of their songs such as "Bat Country" and "Beast and the Harlot" over the radio and MTV and such back in the day, but I mostly payed attention to this album because of Mike Portnoy, and the circumstances behind his involvement. I am mostly a Progressive and Melodic Metal Fan, with favorites being Dream Theater, and Soilwork
I payed attention to the press releases for there album and interviews with the band and Mike Portnoy. Heard the track "Nightmare" on Youtube and was impressed. I knew before the album that the Rev had left some vocals from a demo as well.
I got the album and listened to it a few times and overall I liked where they went. Some people are turned of by the word "Prog" but I feel that is what the delved into a bit, especially with "Fiction" and "Save Me". They strayed from some of their mainstream elements and experimented, and to me succeeded. There were a few songs that weren't anything special like "Welcome to The Family" but the other songs made up for it.
Now I know Keith had a different opinion on the subject. But as some of you may not like to admit, their is a difference between expressing your opinion professionally, and expressing your opinion in an asshole like manner. With minimal research that is only a Wikipedia page away (Where your review is also mentioned… congrats on the inclusion in the page…) You could have found all the info the fans have been listing on the page, such as the Rev's vocals, the direction of the album, and other aspects.
As for the other staffers comments I read.
Josh, Lee, and Anthony – You have all been very much neutral in this war of sorts haha. But your comments have been very mindful, while defending your fellow staff. So kudos for you haha
Jen – I can see where people come a trolling on the site "you" made would make you angry. Especially calling you slut and bitch and stuff. But even though you don't seem to think the death of a person you don't know matters, but to some people, it does, and some of your comments may have offended them. The Rev may have been an idol for people to pick up the drums. Thats how Mike Portnoy was to me, He got me into drumming. When he passes I know I will be very sad even though I haven't, and probably will never meet the guy. So try to be respectful of those who miss him. Haters will hate, so come of respectful and courteous
Keith – All I can say is take some of the more well put together comments to heart. Most of your comments just spewed nonsense that the "hard-to-the-core" fans said back at them. Now I don't know you or musical tastes but come into the review with a bit more of an open mind and if you don't like, criticize in a more constructive manner.
Well that was a bit more than 2 cents,, maybe 56 cents… give or take hahaha.
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smartladay replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
that…was…great. It's great to know people make sense sometimes. Whew, i'm relieved.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:29 pm
I especially like where you mention how they're going more into prog (rock), and how mention that Welcome to the Family is nothing special.
I can't seem to understand why everyone thinks Welcome to the Family is their best song when it sounds like this generic and unappealing post-hardcore song that pussied out on the screams.
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DT Mike replied:
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm
It mostly sounded just like a generic rock song to me with a bit of metal here and there. Nothing more. Some people judge stuff on how heavy it is and speed. I look at the difficulty of the song and how technically sound it is… Especially drums, if I can play it easily then the drums aren't that good hahaha…
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July 29th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Oh. My. Word. I am actually in awe of this flame war. Now, I'm going to interject my own opinion, but first a history of my experience with Avenged Sevenfold, who I will refer to as A7X for the rest of this post, for laziness reasons.
Enter: A twelve year old kid, playing guitar hero. He stumbles upon the song "Beast and the Harlot" and loves it, he then researches the song and the band some more, and buys City of Evil, and adores it.
A7X and, as an extension, CoE were THE band and album that got me into heavy metal into the first place. So I have a special connection with the band. I can still recall my junior high days and my summers spent listening to the album and falling in love with one song after another. And when I heard they had a new album coming out, I was super excited. When I first heard the singles off of their self titled record, I thought they were pretty good. However, as I started to listen to more and more music, I started to not like them as much. In my opinion, it was as if the band was progressing from using their full potential to going back to simply having potential. I still, however, had hope for this band. "Okay", I said, "Maybe their next album will bring them back to their glory days". So I waited, and waited, and eventually stopped listening to A7X for favor of other music and musical styles I happened to be getting into (power metal mainly
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The Rev dies, and I of course am saddened, but I said to myself that I would not let that change my perception of the next album.
So this new album comes out. And what do I get? I get another album that reminds me of their self titled album. I hear what is, to me, what I call "radio metal". Where I come from we have this station called 93X. Which plays mainstream hard rock and metal. And when I listen to this new album the first thing that pops into my head is that radio station. If A7X wants to go with this style, then so be it. But I despise it. The more I listen to this album. the sicker I get. I used to be like some of the fans that have commented here, I would say with utmost confidence that Syn was the greatest guitarist ever, no question. That The Rev was the best drummer, hands down. But once I matured past that stage I was able to look at what A7X was becoming more clearly.
This album is a disappointment to me. It is my childhood idols becoming what i despise. I am no longer an A7X fan. Keith, I agree with most of what you said in the review.
P.S. RIP Jimmy Sullivan.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:47 pm
City of Evil was an awesome album. I was a little like you in the sense that the more I experimented and dabbled in the hard rock and metal genre, the more I drifted away from this band. I'm not going to buy the album just because a member passed away, nor do I ever get wrapped up in hype.
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July 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Damn now you got me revealing my appearance and shit. Fuck you The New Review lol
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WTF replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Do you have multiple personalities or something? You talk shit, then don't and you still keep hanging around this site…
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
does WTF stand for Waking The Fallen? lol. And I talk shit if needed. I don't think I ever just shitted on the site but on the obviously non subjective criticisms on a group I don't Fan Friend or Follow but think make Good Music. And yes fuck all this metal Genre within Genre shit. That's my 2 shits. I mean 2 cents.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:04 am
Meant Makes good Music.
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July 30th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
This album is actually quite wretched and I personally believe that this band should just quit. The Rev was a decent drummer in my opinion, one of the few in a boring genre. I do not mean any disgrace to him either. He will be missed, yet that should not be an excuse for this incredibly low quality dollar store special. Many who buy this album will buy it just because of The Revs death. The few who actually still listen to this band also have nothing better to do than scream that A7X is the best band ever, which is a complete bullshit lie (Led Zeppelin is actually the greatest band of all time), and refuse to step out and listen to different bands outside the mainstream garbage, emo/goth/scene rock genre, which died many moons ago.
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Bob replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Wow…mainstream garbage? Before this album came out, I was lucky to hear them on the radio. Trust me, I know mainstream garbage, because its always the same shit over and over. Zeppelin was decent, but nowhere near the best, sorry to break it to you. So…only people who miss the rev and people who like dollar store specials will buy this album? So thats why it's going to be #1 above all else in this country? Thats ALOT of sympathy, but then again it worked for Zeppelin…maybe more people should just take one of their bandmates out back and shoot them in order to make millions. I mean, if an album is as aweful as everyone says, then so be it. It will suck, no one will listen to it, and the world moves on. It is just your opinion, and it's hard to disprove it, but not impossible. When this album beats all else in the country. All of your mainstream bands, all your favorites, then I'm pretty sure that you were wrong, and it didn't suck. I feel bad for your horrible taste in music, but I guess you'll just have to realize you are wrong, or that this emo/goth/scene rock genre is still alive in well.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Led Zeppelin. The Best ever Really? I guess fuck the Rolling Stones GNR Green Day Metallica The Police Grateful Dead Coldplay Nirvana and I don't know The Beatles? And yes this group is very mainstream. I heard they are doing a song with Taylor Swift. And I'm always hearing them on the radio here right in between *Sexy Chick* and *Soul Sista*
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mozil replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:35 am
lol GNR, Metallica, Coldplay, Nirvana and especially Green Day are nothing compared to LZ :C
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July 30th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Wow! after reading all of this, and yes I read it all (good laughs) I have come to the conclusion that:
(A) There are a few "passionate" A7X fans lol
(B) There are A7X haters out there that are just as bad with the insults and heartless comments.
And (C) Everyone has an opinion.
Now of course I am a huge Avenged Sevenfold fan, fangirl if you may. But for the sake of being level headed, I will try to keep my cool and put in my two cents without insulting anyone. I would have to say that I disagree with Keith in this review. However I respect the fact that he has a right to his own opinion, this a review site and if there was nothing but positive reviews of any album, people would come to this site and talk about how all of the reviewers are full of shit and are fake. I do agree with some people that the review could have been done in a more tasteful manner, at least for the sake of Jimmy's friends, family and all those who cared for him as a person and musician. The same goes for Jen and her (at times) insensitive comments as well. She made valid points, but she could have done it in a more classy way. But that does not give anyone the right to disrespect her with the demeaning names and comments some people have posted on here.
These guys are amazing musicians and nothing can take their talent away. Not even a bad review 
With that said I highly doubt us fans are going to get an apology from the reviewers or the site. They are sticking to their guns and standing by their opinions, the same way we stand next to our boys no matter what. Through think and thin, bad reviews, haters and anything else that comes the A7X family's way. That's what the band loves about us. So chill out, cut these guys some slack and go listen to your favorite Avenged album! Mine is Avenged Sevenfold, but I love them all equally. Even Nightmare which I think is the most honest album I have ever heard
Whew!! that was longer then I thought. I hope I made my point!
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Josh Velliquette replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
After a lot of consideration, I have to say that I am really growing attached to this album. "Welcome to the Family" is a total thrasher and I love M. Shadows' voice. Gotta disagree with the staff on this one. A7X for Album of the Year!
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LDA replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
I love this! Way to be open minded! A true A7X fan at heart! I'm glad to see you gave this album a chance and saw what we have been trying to get you to see
Album of the year is right! This makes me happy lol
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 30th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
If you are not being sarcastic than Way to Stand Up To The Man lol. Even though the man in question is just Keith.
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Jen replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:03 am
Hmm…that comment may or may not have been posted by another writer who logged in as Luke. Investigation is needed.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:10 am
Not really looked into on your site but you ever reviewed Muse? They can be heavy here and there and can really Fucking play lol
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Gabriel Pio replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:15 am
I find Muse to be a little bland. I don't mean it as an offense, just trying to create small talk.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:42 am
you hear their new album Some of the songs are really dope. But most of them Definitely not hard at least as it concerns guitars and shit but occasionally throughout their albums they *done had* some bangers. And again they can Sing or at least don't growl. I think Phil Anselmo and Shadows embodied the Scream growl and shit. To me all the other shit is just annoying unless used very very sparingly. But the heavier the guitars and drums? Bring that shit.
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MCIcelandish replied:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:14 am
And I forgot. Also can SING lol.
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Luke Amos replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:59 pm
I would totally review Muse. Although I am not sure if they would make it on this site. But hey, you never know.
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July 31st, 2010 at 1:03 am
I'm like Kanye's Ilk Hell I don't Cry over Spilt Milk unless it's On my Silk Belt made by divine angels I call them my Hired Help
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July 31st, 2010 at 9:11 am
SMARTLADAY IS A BITCH
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July 31st, 2010 at 6:13 pm
I must say being an A7X fan I am quite embarrassed reading some other fans reactions.
Best metal album this year? I'd go that far.
(Oh and by A7X fan I mean I like them but they aren't my favourite band)
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August 1st, 2010 at 8:02 am
Wow, someone actually said "you committed an ad hominem tu quoque in erroneous grounds. ‘Ad hominem abusive’ is not insulting your opponent."
Someone has a very small penis apparently.
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smartladay replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 3:12 pm
and that is the reason you are a law school DROPOUT
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Gabriel Pio replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 3:34 pm
You just insulted someone who's insulting the person who insulted you. Can you say troll?
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Steve replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Dumbass. You will argue with anyone, won't you? If you have a husband or boyfriend, I'll bet you make his life miserable.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 4:52 pm
I am more than willing to compare sizes.
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Law School Dropout replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Yeah I bet you are. Sorry dude, but I'm straight.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Never said through picture form. I can just give you a number.
Either way, it's not gay if balls don't touch. You're just self-conscious, aren't you?
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Law School Dropout replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:16 pm
A number? I don't want you phone number either. Stop stalking me.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Awww, you ARE self-conscious about your penis size. I didn't know when you were talking about having a very small penis, you were referring to yourself. My bad.
Anyway, it's not good to react a like a stereotypical white boy with glasses and an eating disorder when being confronted. Be a man and embrace your small penis size.
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Law School Dropout replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Awww, you got rejected and now you're lashing out.
Stop acting like someone who's pretending like they're not a stereotypical white boy with glasses and an eating disorder. Be who you really are, Steven.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:36 pm
It's rather obvious when you've been trying to circumvent your size all along with puny remarks of a stereotypical white boy with glasses and an eating disorder including the made up "Awww, you got rejected and now you’re lashing out". Funnier thing, that's the kind of stuff kids that want to think of themselves as pretty usually say.
This is seriously one-sided.
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August 1st, 2010 at 5:41 pm
And you always ignore what I say and twist it around into something negative about me. What are you – captain of your high school debate team? Or a politician?
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Ignore what you say and twist it around? Says the guy whose 'argument' is this:
"A number? I don’t want you phone number either. Stop stalking me."
There is nothing to refute when everything you say is pulled out of your ass. Not only that, but it's really counterproductive. Truth is, I'm just a fucking smart guy (and maybe a bit of a narcissist). Run along.
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Law School Dropout replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:51 pm
A narcissist? You don't say. You're your own biggest fucking fan.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:53 pm
And I have the best fucking fans.
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August 1st, 2010 at 5:44 pm
City Of Evil a game-changer? Hardly… it was a decent album, sure, but it was a decline from Waking The Fallen;, and it certainly didn't have any kind of positive effect on the music industry. The self-titled album was mostly terrible, and I haven't bothered listening to Nightmare.
Avenged Sevenfold was a tolerable gothy metalcore band that decided to co-opt Guns 'N Roses' style, which in turn further exposed them for what they are… a talented group of musicians who aren't very good songwriters with an extremely limited singer.
It sucks that their drummer died, as he was a talented dude, but that's why you shouldn't do drugs, kids.
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groverXIII replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Hmmm… HTML is disabled. Whoops.
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The NewReview replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Fixed it.
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groverXIII replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Much obliged.
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Steven replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 5:53 pm
I'd like to disagree. I used to think that CoE sucked too. But really, there's a lot of good composition to it, and although it draws a lot of influences of older metal and such, it's really unconventional in everything it does. It's a good listen to prog metal and vintage metal fans alike. I put the song Sidewinder as the best example of this.
The S/T has two or three good songs, it's really explorative. Nightmare is very melodic though, but is good for relaxation.
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Ryan replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 12:35 am
City of Evil isn't my favorite Avenged Sevenfold album, but the songwriting on it is INCREDIBLE. I really don't understand where you're coming from. City of Evil is one of the most intricate albums out there. It has so many moments of great musicality and use of other instruments. The quality of the recordings on City of Evil was MUCH better than Waking the Fallen as well. Also it asserted Avenged Sevenfold as a band that could progress from their "metalcore" sound while becoming more musical without sacrificing much, other than their screaming. To be honest, the songwriting on Sounding the Seventh Trumpet and Waking the Fallen pales in comparison to City of Evil on. The self-titled breaks all boundaries Avenged Sevenfold had adhered to genre-wise up until that point. Other than Nightmare, the self-titled is the MOST musical album I've EVER heard. It incorporates aspects from metal to country to hip-hop to classical music. The way the songs were shaped is absolutely incredible.
In my opinion Avenged Sevenfold has gone nowhere but up since the beginning in every way. Nightmare is their most musical album to date. "Fiction" is the most ingeniously crafted rock song ever. The choice of harmonies is incredible.
As for the Rev's death, he died of a combination of his own prescription drugs combined with alcohol and his enlarged heart. It could have been accidental because of carelessness or cause he just forgot he'd taken meds. It also could have been a suicide. I wouldn't suggest that he was doing drugs though, because you just don't know.
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August 1st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Comment number 666, thank you for playing. That is all.
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Jen replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Your mom would NOT approve.
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Anthony Gannaio replied:
August 1st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Just trying to label this comment thread cause it's from the devil!
(Insert Waterboy quote here)
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August 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 am
I had a chance to listen to the full album straight through earlier. I don't know if I would've given it as low a review as Keith but I wouldn't have gone much higher either. The album has some standout tracks (Nightmare, Danger Line, God Hates Us) but the rest didn't do anything for me personally. I think I gravitated to the tracks I did because they brought me back to City of Evil Avenged Sevenfold, which is the only Avenged Sevenfold I've ever liked and I thought City of Evil was awesome. I felt like the majority of the songs were needlessly long and I lost interest quickly. The music is really ambitious but it tends to meander and get too wrapped up in itself.
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August 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Wow, the comments on this page have gone way out of hand. Good review, I do like the album. It is not amazing or what I was really hoping for. I don't think Fiction is that bad, Shadows vocals are ridiculous (in my opinion). God Hates Us is by far my favorite track. Thanks!
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August 5th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Just to let everyone on this page know, Nightmare is debuting at #1 on the Billboard 200, with 162,505 copies sold in its first week. Obviously, something about this review is incorrect. I mean no disrespect, but FAIL.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Since when can an opinion be incorrect? I'll never understand this. Like it was said previously in the comments, we're not going to rate an album higher because it places well on charts or because a band gets so much mainstream media praise.
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Ryan replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:54 am
incorrect was a bad word choice =/ i'm just saying that, in my opinion, the reviewer(s) missed something. I myself had to listen to the album several times before I could take it all in. a7x's post waking the fallen albums need several listens to really get a feel for the album. but in the end, you're right its just opinion. all reviews, good and bad, will be pretty much forgotten.
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Azriel replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 2:49 am
I'm sorry, but I think you're kinda comparing A7X to Eminem, Lady Gaga, and other performers of their ilk. I mean, debuting at #1 on Billboard is special, but just because it did doesn't mean anything in particular. Crappy music is extremely popular in this day and age.
Let me redirect you to this article for further proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_albums_of_2010_%28U.S.%29
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Ryan replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:56 am
not at all. just pointing out that TONS of people like the album enough to spend $10 on it as opposed to pirating it. 162,000 copies is a lot in one week
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Steven replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
The thing is that Eminem is an amazing rapper, and Lady Gaga certainly is on top of the pop industry. There's a lot of musicality to her music, and Eminem is simply amazing.
I certainly would not mind A7x being compared to them two because A7x, just like them, is a great band that suffers from a lot of ungrounded hatred due to their popularity.
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Ryan replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 10:54 am
While I don't listen to Eminem regularly, I have to say that he is a master of rhyming. He's good at what he does. Lady Gaga is really a pioneer to a new sub-genre of pop.
Similarly, A7X is REALLY good at what they do, AND they crafted their own genre out of a combination of hard rock, metal, classical music, and country. Several songs also have hip hop influences.
And yes, there's a ton of hatred for a7x and I really don't understand why.
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August 5th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Layne was one of the greatest singers of our era and he was a drug addict. Rev too was an addict and left us early as well. Sad to some but not to others. WHAT'S Sad is when a great human beings like DIME or Clifford Lee Burton leave us early by no fault of thier own. Rev may have been a Great drummer but he too, just like the rest of us, had his VICE and he paid dearly for it.
The new album has a few good songs and that's it. FICTION May BE THE WORST SONG I HAVE EVER HEARD PERIOD. And the STP copy cracks me up. I thought these guys were metal? Guess NOT!
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August 5th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
For the RECORD, H.I.M may be the worst band of all time and if it weren't for Bam I would have never heard of them. Damn that BAM Margera and HOT TOPIC
Oh well, I guess it's better than country and RAP CRAP.
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Azriel replied:
August 5th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
If you'd like to debate this, then you can contact me @
kylenoyer@yahoo.com
HIM happens to be one of my favorite bands (gasp,shock). You've obviously never heard a lot of HIM if you think they're the worst band ever. I'd like to gamble that you didn't even attempt to listen to them with an open mind because their music has a lot of redeeming qualities.
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Ryan replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
I saw them a few years back at Projekt Revolution and I really liked them. Also, sladetroityer, there's some good country. It's not my favorite genre but it isn't horrible. Also theres some rap/hip hop that's decent. Black Eyed Peas aren't too bad and JJ Demon has several songs that are pretty good. No matter how much someone may dislike a genre, there's always something there that peaks their interest in one way or another.
For example, I played Prelude in B Minor by Rachmaninoff for my friend that despises classical music and he went and bought the song on iTunes.
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August 5th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Ryan, DID YOU ALSO Notice that KIDZ BOP 18 was in at 6th on the top 200. These stats only mean that there are a lot of 12 to 17 year olds with nothing better to do this summer than spend mommy and Dadd's money on CD's!
Anyway!
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Ryan replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
That's in a completely different market. The point is that A7X has an enormous and powerful fan base and obviously there's a LOT of people that love their music.
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August 6th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Just a random comment, but you think they shouldn't have similar styles to other great bands… but before that you said you loved City of Evil… You really didn't think any of that had a GnR vibe to it, the guitar solo in "Seize the Day" for example. That to me is quite hypocritical. Also, you forgot to listen to the end of "Buried Alive" because it is reminiscent of "Ride The Lightning." Maybe I should start doing these reviews for you guys, since I apparently know a little bit about it.
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Steven replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
In his defense, CoE was a fucking amazing album.
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Ryan replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
agree with both of you
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August 6th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Azriel,
You are correct! I have not heard a lot of H.I.M, but the songs that I did hear were unbareable at best. Not my cup of tea, sorry!
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Azriel replied:
August 6th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
I wish people would come out and say, "that band is not to my liking" more. That is reason enough to say you don't like them. I hate it when people just flat out say, "this band sucks". As long as you heard them, then made your decision, that is perfectly respectable.
I respect your opinion and do not wish to push the matter any further. Have a good one, man. I applaud the thorough nature of your opinion.
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August 7th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I was just reading all of the "Reviewers" favourite bands on the STAFF tab and aside from Keith Anderson I didn't see too many bands that are GREAT. Did you boys and girls forget to mention Iron Maiden, BLACK Friggin Sabbath, Kreator, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Venom, Megadeth, Slayer, or any of the other early bands that pretty much started the whole Metal and Thrash Genre. I also noticed that not one of you had the Misfits in there either. I am starting to question the WRITERS of these reviews and weather or not they are even worthy of writing such reviews!!
Keep up the good work I guess!
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
I don't see how the fact that you dislike the majority of the bands we listen to negates our ability to judge music and write. It's cool if you disagree with our listening habits. It's your opinion. Maybe we all acknowledge those bands but they don't happen to fall into our favorite albums and artists sections. I don't really have any favorite albums or artists. My listening habits have changed so drastically over my 29 years of existence that it's too hard to pin down 'favorites'. I just put in albums and artists that I currently enjoy, and a lot of those happen to be more modern acts. I was born in 1981 and never got into the old school metal scene. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the fact that they basically set the foundation for metal bands today. I like some Misfits and Slayer, and I love a few Pantera songs.
I liked City of Evil because of its heavy influences from earlier bands and I like a few of the songs on Nightmare, but I don't think the band is setting any sort of newfound groundwork. That's my personal opinion though and I'm sure someone in here will send me death threats for it and call me all sorts of names. I don't care. I listen to whatever peaks my interest, regardless of what genre it's in. That's because I couldn't care any less about what everyone else loves. I don't follow trends. "BUT NIGHTMARE IS NUMBER 1 ON THE CHARTS!" Good for them, I'm happy they are. That's a huge accomplishment. But it doesn't mean we're going to give this album a 5/5 and the fact that they lost a band member doesn't mean we're going to give the album a 5/5 either.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I should also add that the TNR staff are fans of music. We don't place ourselves on any sort of pedestal. We write about bands we love because we're as passionate as everyone reading our reviews. People disagree and agree, people praise the bands and the reviews or completely hate them. We welcome it all because it shapes music and the listeners. The only difference between the TNR staff and you guys and girls is that we write about the music we listen to. It's kind of like when you go to a show and you see a band play, then the next band comes up and you see the previous band in the pit stirring things up for their fellow musicians. We'll stand on stage and take the hate and love, and still jump in the pit to comment with all of you.
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Lee replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Hey sladetroityer, what's up? First off, welcome to the site!
Glad you are checking us out. I'm sure you will find something that you can sink your teeth into.
I just wanted to take a second and comment about being "worthy" of writing reviews. I not only speak for myself but for the entire staff in saying absolutely and unequivocally YES! None of our staff (with the exception of Keith) grew up in that era, which I don't believe is a problem at all. So you can rest easy…you have no reason to be concerned.
I'm 34 years old and I personally cannot stand any of those bands you mentioned. I do however fully understand that all those acts (as well as Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Suicidal Tendencies, Testament, Metal Church, The Sex Pistols, Pantera, Dio, Ozzy, The Beatles, Elvis, Cream, Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, CCR, etc.) were very influential in today's modern music. I have always been the kind of person that would rather push forward staring ahead, rather than be steamrolled looking behind. It’s cool to go back and listen to those bands no doubt. But as this industry changes in front of our eyes, fans should embrace the future and and evolve along with it.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and we hope you hang around.
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Ryan replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I'm sorry but I can't stand motorhead. I couldn't stop myself from putting that out there.
If you're going to try and sound heavy either sing or scream don't combine the two, it doesn't work, it just makes you go WAY out of tune.
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August 7th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Daryn,
I've been around just a little longer than you and I too have changed when it comes to music tastes and what I listen to. I haven't even commented on A7X cause I haven't heard the new album yet but what I have heard leads me to believe that I probably won't buy it. I think the only reason they have sold so many copies is a direct result of the Rev passing and the fans want to get that last album that he was on! I think that their first two albums are the best by far. CoE is when they began to hit the mainstream and sometimes that takes the edge/creativity away from their music.
Any way I am new to this site and I was going through the STAFF tab and reviewing everybody's favourites and I just couldn't believe that those bands that I mentioned weren't in there. I guess I am old school and I love the older stuff but I was just surprised so I thought i'd drop a bomb on you guys!
So here it is: Metallica/Slayer, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, Pantera, Sepultura, Lamb of God, Maiden, Misfits, Municipal Waste, Sabbath, Mastodon, Clutch, Zeppelin, and many many more!
How many favourites can one have?
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
You should stick around and check the site out. We all have pretty diverse tastes in metal and rock. Also, if you're interested we reviewed the latest Alice In Chains album — http://thenewreview.net/reviews/alice-in-chains-black-gives-way-to-blue
It's pretty awesome. I think Led Zeppelin and Mastodon are both awesome. Like I said I gravitate more to the modern metal but I tend to dabble in anything that appeals to me. I thought City of Evil had some more mainstream aspects but I love tracks like Bat Country, Burn it Down and Sidewinder.
Anyways, we appreciate the comments and welcome to the site!
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Jen replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Hey sladetroityer,
We have staff members that list a lot of your favorite bands as their favorites, so we can't be all that different. Honestly, if I had to pick one band to listen to for the rest of my life, it would be Alice in Chains. I believe while Layne was alive, they were a band that did no wrong. I even adore Mad Season, though I don't listen to Above as much as I used to. I believe "Long Gone Day" and "Wake Up" are incredible songs, even though they were written by a bunch of junkies.
I, like Daryn, was born in 1981. My first exposure to metal was a cassette tape known as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath by none other than Black Sabbath. I was raised on Black Sabbath, Metallica, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, Fleetwood Mack, Joan Jett, CCR, AC/DC, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, ZZ Top, Jimi Hendrix…and let's not forget one of my all time favorites, Mr. Stevie Ray Vaughan (who is now listed as one of my favorites on the Staff page – thanks for reminding me). But my taste in music has evolved steadily along with rock & metal. I went though my grunge stage with Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana, etc. I went through my radio rock/metal stage. Then came nu metal and I listened to my share of it. I think it's important to constantly listen to new things, otherwise you'll (generally speaking) end up being that dude riding around in a t-top Camaro blasting hair metal out of your speakers. Nobody wants that.
Thanks for taking the time to comment!
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I used to blast Soundgarden while doing homework when I was like 12 or 14. My brothers bought me all kinds of grunge stuff in the early 90's.
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Luke Amos replied:
August 8th, 2010 at 12:01 am
You are all making me feel so young and foolish in my musical choices.
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Gabriel Pio replied:
August 8th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Ditto. >.>
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Jen replied:
August 8th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Daryn, I remember having Soundgarden's Superunknown on cassette tape and playing it in my walkman (yeah, a tape walkman) on a field trip when I was 13. Wow, I'm feeling ancient now.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 8th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
That was my favorite album for a long time. I had it on cassette and played it over and over. I knew all of the words to Blackhole Sun, haha.
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August 7th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Daryn I want to comment on something you said and its so true with todays music. Just because an artist sells a lot of records (reaching number 1 in this case) doesnt mean we all need to bow down and call the music perfect when its not. Record sales and good music do not go hand in hand. Need I remind everyone to take a look at who usually hits number 1 on the charts and then come back and talk to me about whether or not those artists are TRULY talented and writing GOOD music. Also, in the same vain, when an artist or band member dies (while extremely horrible), we dont need to put the music on a pedestal unless it TRULY qualifies as GREAT music. I hate to say this but this album is not all that great. Its just not. I have all their records and I appreciate the talent they have, but this album just falls short. Even though people love this band its like they are afraid to admit its just not that good. This band is truly talented. More so than most of the garbage in the mainstream music scene, but this album just fell short FOR ME. There are a few decent songs but OVERALL its a lackluster album.
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Daryn St. Pierre replied:
August 7th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Your view of the album is pretty much what I thought of it. Also, good music and record sales don't go hand in hand all the time like you said. I've found some of the best gems in music to be completely unknown acts. Avenged Sevenfold's newer stuff has become more accessible to the mainstream rock crowd, so it's going to get a lot of notice. It's radio-friendly.
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August 8th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Oh and Jen I noticed that you have Alice in Chains who are in my top 5. Daryn thanks for the A n C review link. Did you guys do a review on World Painted Blood by the Mighty Slayer? I would love to read that review.
So I went to see Sevendust, Puddle of Mudd, Chevelle and Shinedown with my fiance last night and it was one of the best show's I have ever seen and I've been to over 200 shows in my life time. I was very, very impressed with Shinedown's stage and how well they sounded!!! Great Show, Great Band. They may be very mainstream but I think that are the best ROCK band out today.
See we all have our little demons!!!!! They may not be my favourite band but they sure sounded like it last night.
So I guess all I was trying to say in that not one of you have any older bands as Fav's which bothered me a little. No biggie!
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Lee replied:
August 8th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Sure did, just go to the search box and type in Slayer "World Painted Blood" and you will find it
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August 11th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
I think the only thing more amusing than this sorry-ass excuse for an album is the sheer idiocy of the dozens of folks who've commented on this thread and who are ostensibly "A7X" fans.
"The Rev" was just another vice-ridden, selfcentred semi-rockstar responsible for his own demise . He was also a very mediocre drummer (Mike Portnoy lost his last scrap of credibility after his embarrassing "homage" to The Rev).
Stop the phony, pseudo-sentimental nonsense people. This is a review site. Don't like the reviews then don't read them or better yet, write your own glowing review.
The only thing worse than this album and it's asinine admirers are the ridiculous and abusive comments being hurled at Jen and the folks who run this site.
Listen to the new Fleshgod Apocalypse instead. Hell, even the new Limp Bizkit sounds like it's going to be better than this record.
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Ryan replied:
August 11th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
First off, I've read plenty of the reviewers comments on this thread and only a couple at the top were as negative as yours, and only because someone was lashing out at them. Overall they've been pretty fair to most people here, so I'm sure they wouldn't approve of the way you're talking about A7X fans.
Second, The Rev may or may not have committed suicide (if thats what you're suggesting). It is just as likely that he was drunk or careless and took his PRESCRIBED meds with alcohol. He was by no means a mediocre drummer or musician. The drums on City of Evil, the self-titled, Nightmare, and even Sounding the Seventh Trumpet are a testament to that (He had previously stated that the band purposely simplified things on Waking the Fallen). He had an abstract style that fit A7X's music very well. He was an extraordinarily talented songwriter as well. On several of his songs (A Little Piece of Heaven, Fiction, etc.) he displays such varying choice of harmonies, that it's incredible the song doesn't sound disjointed to the modern ear.
Also, not all of the pro-A7X people here are posting abusive comments.
What if I say some of my favorite music is by Grieg and Rachmaninoff and Prokofiev and Poulenc? Are you still going to call my taste in music ridiculous and asinine.
But, I do have to give you credit with Fleshgod Apocalypse. I just looked them up and they are amazing!
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faust666 replied:
August 13th, 2010 at 2:52 am
Ryan, your post while infinitely more civil than the many abusive posts on this thread (typical of fans of scene, hot topic-y, emo bands) is riddled with fallacious arguments. I'm still struggling to figure out why Grieg was mentioned. I only hope that you don't mention Sarasate, Wieniawski and Bartok in your next post on a freakin A7X thread.
Whether or not "A7X rules" and "Rev's drumming rules" etc (highly debatable topics), I believe in the maxim "to each his own". You enjoy them? Great ! I won't diss you until you start with the "you need to see the light and realise the greatness of A7X spiel".
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed Fleshgod Apocalypse. Perhaps your interest in classical music will help you appreciate the classical elements they blend into their music.
Cheers!
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Cory replied:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Personally, I see no point in insulting one another on a thread like this. All you have to do is say if you liked the album or not. No one has to be rude or bash the band, album, or even each other. If you like it, you like it. If not, then you don't. That's your opinion. Personally, I like this album. I am a huge A7X fan, but I'm not going to sit here and complain about the comment(s) in front of my own, or rave about how unfair it is that The Rev died. Yes, it was unfortunate and tragic, but no matter what you say, he's not coming back. So please, try and keep the comments friendly, and if you can't, then do not comment. Also, I'm only 15 and have enough sense to walk away from an argument that is pointless.
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August 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
ok you're an idiot because it wasn't m shadows who recorded the slurred vocals in fiction. it was the rev and he did it intentionally. so learn your facts before hating. i don't care that you don't like the new album but you should at least know what you're going to be hating on before doing so. and jen, no one gives a flying fuck about if you think the album is funny and frankly you laughing about someone dying is just flat out fucked up. so i suggest you go sit down and shut up because no one cares what you think.
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Luke Amos replied:
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Dude, you missed the A7X flame war. Sorry bro.
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September 24th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Do you guys have The Final Frontier review? Love to read your thoughts on that album.
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October 7th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I must say, this whole review and the comments that have followed is nothing short of ( excuse my language ) a clusterfuck of false claims, arrogant children, "fans" who give true fans a bad name, and reviewers, whom despite being adults, get as smart aleck-ey as the little kids flaming them. Ok kiddies it's truth telling time, about, oh, I say, 78% of these comments have false claims and flat out idiotic facts " The Rev was wasted " " OMG U R ALL HORILBE RVIWRS " * sigh * in the words of a troll: Pr00f pl0x? The reviewers aren't bad, yes they can have questionable " facts " and comments, but hey, we all have certain feelings for things. And these feelings must obviously differ. As much as I would love to rant on how Jimmy was amazing and etcetera, I shan't because that would lower me to the ranks of the flamers. Rather I'll say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, unfortunately a 10 year old will probably start fights here again, but if anyone here really respects Jimmy, you won't respond to-
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October 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
This CD isn't very good! Get over it
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November 25th, 2010 at 6:04 am
Perfect for a 2.5!!!
And still discussions over something as sad as this…
Their self titled was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better…
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December 7th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Hi Jen and the rest of the staff,
i know i am writing really…reallly late but i would like to apologize for the comments that my fellow avenged sevenfold fans have made. I love avenged sevenfold and always will. But, it wasn't until i had a paper for my english class in Penn State where i had to make a critical review that i understood how to make a review about something you love yet backing away from the “fan” point of view that I understood your points. I know that reviews are pretty much opinions and the problem about opinions and avenged sevenfold is that many people will never look at it open minded.
You know, i grew up with avenged sevenfold since waking the fallen and obviously reading your review got me pretty pissed at first because of the way you made it sound. But I understood that you didn't mean to offend anyone by no means ( i think?) and that you were simply giving out your opinion of the album. I do have to agree with many of the points made here that you should've done a little bit more research before doing the review but thats fine.
Now i would like to apologize for all these immature rants to you and the staff because sadly, a7x is a band that attracts a lot of highschool and younger people and thats only because if its probably the heavier that they hear. So the result is that they, specially girls, are very emotional when it comes to the band.
Now, i would like to thank you for the review because no matter if its good or bad, at the end of the day thats what it is: a review. You put effort and time to review an album that most people would not even bother commenting on, therefore thanks
your friend
Thierry
P.S. do you guys like As I lay Dying? i personally like “the sound of truth”
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January 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
This thread is very amusing.. bunch of teenage A7X worshipping girlies trying to defend a dead drug addict. He's dead, candidate for a Darwin prize. Get over it.
A7X is a pop band, nothing to do with metal. Get over it.
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Julia Stephenson replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
How dare you talk bad about the dead!
Oh, so if it was Michael Jackson slamming,THEN it's bad. Riiiiiight.
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Ryan replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
What you consider to be metal probably isn't the average definition of the genre. Many people consider bands like Stone Sour and Motley Crue to be metal as well. I think even the writers of this review would probably agree with me that Avenged Sevenfold is not a pop band. Just because you listen to White Chapel or Fleshgod Apocalypse doesn't mean that's the only thing that's considered metal.
The Rev did use drugs, but it's not known whether he was trying to use them to get high or anything when he passed. You don't know and neither does anyone else. That's pretty much the same thing as saying Salieri killed Mozart or Michael Jackson's doctors killed him. We don't know, we never will know, so assuming that as fact is wrong.
In addition, just because he used drugs doesn't mean he was any less of a musician. A large volume of the musical gestures he has composed are extremely innovative and unorthodox. He composed the instrumental parts for A Little Piece of Heaven in one sitting all the way through. When people bash him and Avenged Sevenfold for the "drunken" vocals about 2/3 of the way through Fiction, they don't realize that 1. all of his vocals were taken directly from the demo he made three days before his death and many of the lyrics were probably ad libbed. It's not like they had a wide variety of lines to choose from. 2. They were put there for lyrical effect. He died. He sounds lethargic. If you don't care for it that's your problem. Many critics hated much of Wagner's music and bashed him for it all the time. It didn't make it any less popular, well known, or musical. 3. Many avid Avenged Sevenfold fans had deep emotional ties to the song even before its release. It was part of their grieving process. That's a highly personal issue and it's rather rude of you to make fun of them for that. 4. The lyrics he says in that section of the song foreshadow his death. It's chilling frankly.
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Lee Tran replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Ryan, let's not resurrect this argument, for the love of God…
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Keith Anderson replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Look, just because Esperanza beat Justin Beiber at the Grammy's last night doesn't mean you can take your anger out on us.
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January 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
I just listened to the entire album fo the first time today (2011) and it sounds like typical A7X album. It's not all bad but they get a little too much air play these days. I prefer to listen to their heavier stuff that didn't come on right after Trapt on the radio dial. Walking the Fallen or Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. What ever happened to that band that made those albums??
Too mcuh Fame?
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February 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
*le sigh* I had my say on Screamworks last year.
I think I know someone who will have a go at this one.
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Josh Velliquette replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
You're a little late to the party, Julia.
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Claire replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Oh i was so ready Jewels. So fucking ready. But you know what, i'm not going to stoop down to that level. Let people call Jimmy an idiot and say the album sucks, let them say whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
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Mike replied:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:08 am
I wish my nickname was Jewels… can I be Jewels?
Nightmare is what it is and a proper title at that.
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Claire replied:
February 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Well that's your opinion Mr Jewels and i respect that.
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Julia Stephenson replied:
February 16th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
*I'M* Jewels.
It's my nickname, and Claire knows who I am.
LMAOOOO
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Mike replied:
February 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
<—-Is Jewels, Mr.Jewels!
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February 14th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
SO! I'm here anyways. LMAO!
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February 14th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they nearly all stink"
"Nightmare" has had some terrible reviews but it's also had some glowing ones too. No page of words, positive or negative, is going to affect how i feel about the album.
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Luke Amos replied:
February 16th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I love that expression Claire.
Especially since if we follow this analogy through to its conclusion we find that you came here to read the review. Which is a stinky asshole. So if you came here for the review you came to smell some ass…
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Claire replied:
February 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
I guess you're right.
Only, Unfortunatly for me, i got more than i bargained for. I didn't realise that this review would have as many asses on it as it does.
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February 14th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Oh, and by the way, Nightmare went gold on the Rev's birthday. Someone is definitely a part of the minority in their opinion.
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Luke Amos replied:
February 14th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Just because everyone does something doesn't mean it is intelligent.
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Mike replied:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am
Ya, it happens to be a lot of peoples birthdays.
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Lee Tran replied:
February 15th, 2011 at 8:09 am
*sigh* don't feed the trolls you guys
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March 2nd, 2011 at 9:44 pm
this is true review, A7 is done, they deserved 0 here, no energy no hype just plain boring, i try to liste to this album 4 straight times, just too damn lame. but RIP rev, at least avenged has a very great drummer now. Hope they release a really goood album in the near future. And jen ur so cute.
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March 16th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
This band keeps gaining in popularity every day, which is a little bit depressing, because their best album was City of Evil. I almost feel bad for these guys, they just lost a friend, then they struggled to put out good music again. Nightmare is average at best. I did like "Welcome to the Family" though.
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March 30th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I absolutely loved this album without ever enjoying an Avenged Sevenfold song before and I'd appreciate it if you pieces of shit did your fucking homework before running your mouth. It was ruled that The Rev died of an accidental overdose and dangerous mix of legally prescribed drugs. His doctors weren't entirely sure what all he was taking and as such the combination proved fatal. Learn what the fuck you're talking about before you get on your high house and look down on the drug riddled peons.
Quit running your mouth you fucking cunt.
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Lee Rochester replied:
March 30th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Nate, you're late to the party son. The music is over, the lights are out and unfortunately for you…all the cake is gone.
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Jen replied:
March 30th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
http://bit.ly/internetdickwad
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Lee Tran replied:
March 30th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Nate, you're a disgrace to FMA. Get that avatar out of here, you don't deserve it.
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April 10th, 2011 at 1:51 am
Just got this album today, and I disagree with your review – BUT I respect your opinion, which it's a shame nobody else seems capable of doing. This is part of the reason I'm ashamed to admit I like Avenged Sevenfold.. The fanbase can be downright rabid.
But onto the album itself, I liked it quite a bit. I'd held off on buying it partially because of this review, since I've found myself agreeing with 75% of the reviews I've read here and feared this would end up another. Turns out it's in the 25% I disagree with, eh. It's nothing amazing, but definitely a step up from the god-awful self-titled album, and to me it seems more than just a disjointed collection musical fragments. In my opinion, it's a solid, enjoyable album.
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April 26th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
This is funny stuff. I almost read all of it.
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June 2nd, 2011 at 1:53 am
I believe that everyone has their own opinion for music and I am acknowledging yours. In my opinion I believe that all of their albums are great in different ways. For their latest album it was more of a raw and emotional appeal to the lyrics and such. I will make this clear. Mike Portnoy did NOT give any suggestions for the lyrics. He, himself, made it clear that he changed some portions on the drums but didn't help with the lyrics because it was not his place. I have had the chance to speak to Mike in person. I enjoyed the new album and I know many people have as well or it would not have debuted at number 1. If the album wasn't good in other peoples eyes I don't believe they would go see the band perform and yet in their latest 16 date tour they were recorded as the hottest band to see. Well structured article but I don't agree with it. I don't believe any of the songs sound "so close" to other songs as you have stated and I know those songs as well.
Listen everyone we shouldn't be saying rude and disrespectful stuff about a man that has passed away. No matter if the man was a celebrity or just an average joe. It's very rude to the family of that man and if you want to be angry and use something as ammunition against someone don't choose someone's death. It's extremely tacky.
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Nicholas Misiak replied:
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:52 am
What's tacky is how much Avenged Sevenfold are still trying to sound like Hell Within, but still come off sounding like a moose in heat lol
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